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Please look at his time at Cleveland. Coaching a HOF QB helps the resume.



Or a third stringer.....or matt cassell....
He is the GOAT. Maybe Brady has benefited from him.
Also took Cleveland to the playoffs one of those four years. Was basically a .500 record. Not exactly a complete disaster. Was his first gig as head coach.

He has one winning record without Tom Brady.

Does right now count? Its pretty obvious to the entire world that it doesn't matter who plays qb for them. They win.
Bill Walsh, Chuck Noll, Landry , Lombardi, Gibbs - all the great coaches have had shit tons of hof'ers all over the field. Id argue that BB has had the least amount of talent associated with his championship teams actually. Look I don't like the guy, but Im not going to deny his greatness....

Belicheck is the best coach I have seen.

Does right now count? Its pretty obvious to the entire world that it doesn't matter who plays qb for them. They win.
Bill Walsh, Chuck Noll, Landry , Lombardi, Gibbs - all the great coaches have had shit tons of hof'ers all over the field. Id argue that BB has had the least amount of talent associated with his championship teams actually. Look I don't like the guy, but Im not going to deny his greatness....

I am not denying his greatness, but I would not trade the Redskins Jay Gruden for the Cleveland Browns Bill Belichick. During his tenure in Cleveland he compiled a 36–44 record. Two years later he is the head coach of New England and they draft Tom Brady. Together they have 15 consecutive winning seasons.

I just can't say he is the GOAT. I can not tell you he is better than Bill Walsh, Chuck Noll, Tom Landry, Vince Lombardi, Joe Gibbs, Don Shula, Bill Parcells, etc... You need three things to win in the NFL. Talent, Coaching, and Quality ownership.

Based on the coaches above, only Gibbs and Parcells won a Superbowl without a HOF QB. Chuck Noll and Tom Landry had teams that were loaded with HOF talent. Who drafted the talent? I can't tell you, because it was before my time. I find it difficult to compare today's game to the games I watch growing up.

Just my Monday evening ramblings.

I am not denying his greatness, but I would not trade the Redskins Jay Gruden for the Cleveland Browns Bill Belichick. During his tenure in Cleveland he compiled a 36–44 record. Two years later he is the head coach of New England and they draft Tom Brady. Together they have 15 consecutive winning seasons.



I just can't say he is the GOAT. I can not tell you he is better than Bill Walsh, Chuck Noll, Tom Landry, Vince Lombardi, Joe Gibbs, Don Shula, Bill Parcells, etc... You need three things to win in the NFL. Talent, Coaching, and Quality ownership.



Based on the coaches above, only Gibbs and Parcells won a Superbowl without a HOF QB. Chuck Noll and Tom Landry had teams that were loaded with HOF talent. Who drafted the talent? I can't tell you, because it was before my time. I find it difficult to compare today's game to the games I watch growing up.



Just my Monday evening ramblings.



Lets not put it all on a qb though. See the 85 Bears, or the Ray Lewis led Ravens. Skins had Monk, Green, Riggo, the Hogs, etc.
They are all great coaches. And again maybe BB has made Brady who he is. Do you think if Brady was drafted by the Skins he would be a first ballot hof'er? Maybe but maybe not.
Oh n I would trade Gruden for Belichicks dog. Lol

Edit: and thank you im enjoying this debate much more than the clown circus that is embarrassing my country on tv rite now!

Belicheck is the best coach I have seen.

I guess you didn't see Joe Gibbs.

the saints, browns and bears all have a chance to go 1-15.... NO defense is as bad as its ever been!

Lets not put it all on a qb though. See the 85 Bears, or the Ray Lewis led Ravens. Skins had Monk, Green, Riggo, the Hogs, etc.
They are all great coaches. And again maybe BB has made Brady who he is. Do you think if Brady was drafted by the Skins he would be a first ballot hof'er? Maybe but maybe not.
Oh n I would trade Gruden for Belichicks dog. Lol

Edit: and thank you im enjoying this debate much more than the clown circus that is embarrassing my country on tv rite now!

I can't argue the Ray Lewis led Ravens, in the Superbowl, Dilfer was 12 of 25 for 153 yards one touchdown and one fumble. One the other side of the coin, Barry Switzer was 40 - 24 with a Superbowl win. I am confident Troy Aiken had more to do with winning than Switzer. Jerry could have hired Steve Spurrier and won a Superbowl with all the talent.

I can't tell you Brady would have been a HOF QB with the Redskins. He would have been coached by Gibbs and Co, but I am sure Vinny would have somehow ruined his career.

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