calia
04-17-2016, 08:02 PM
I agree with this. It used to matter less because we didn't need to worry about other teams trying to scoop the guys we were targeting, our judgment was so bad. But with McLovin? You know any team would kill to see his assessment.
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That Guy
04-17-2016, 08:33 PM
I agree with this. It used to matter less because we didn't need to worry about other teams trying to scoop the guys we were targeting, our judgment was so bad. But with McLovin? You know any team would kill to see his assessment.
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scooping guys up that don't fit your scheme cause someone else likes them is a good way to lose. if you're deferring your scouting staff/GM's judgement to someone working on another team, it's time to get a new scouting staff/GM.
you want to deny information to force other teams to make less than perfect decisions, which abstractly makes them worse and your team better. maybe they trade up too high to get a guy or drop back a bit too far and miss the guy they wanted because they can't get a correct read on what everyone else is going to do.
calia
04-18-2016, 11:15 PM
True, but not every player or position is so scheme dependent that Intel from a good judge of talent would be valueless. Not suggesting that anyone would want to replicate our draft board. But interest in our assessment (and knowing it in the context of our scheme), you bet.
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Chico23231
04-19-2016, 08:46 AM
Steven Daniels, ILB, Boston College
Irrefutable
04-19-2016, 09:03 AM
Christian Hackenberg visiting today............... not interested unless UDFA
hutch17
04-19-2016, 09:19 AM
Christian Hackenberg visiting today............... not interested unless UDFA
Very interested starting in the 4th round.
This guy was already being called the #1 overall pick as a freshman, he has all the talent, he just needs to remember that he is good.
Irrefutable
04-19-2016, 09:28 AM
Hackenburg's underwhelming stats;
Christian Hackenberg Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com (http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/christian-hackenberg-1.html)
Chico23231
04-19-2016, 09:33 AM
Hackenburg would be a steal in the 4th or 5th round. I think my only concern is a willingness to work and to be coached. My problem is he kinda shut it down under the Franklin staff which is troubling. So maturity is a factor.
That Guy
04-19-2016, 11:13 AM
hackenburg is a gamble. FO likes to look at the progress of a college QB's completion %, and on that count, he's going the wrong way. 54% isn't very good. There is potential though and if it's 4th round on, that's not a super high cost to take a chance. just don't get your hopes too high.
Chico23231
04-19-2016, 11:29 AM
From Jon Gruden on working with Hackenberg
1.
I'll be shocked if Hackenberg is not a first-round pick
The biggest surprise to me on Hackenberg is that no one is really talking about him in the first round. This was the No. 1 prospect in the nation a few years ago and someone who showed during his freshman year he could produce at a high level in a true NFL-style offense. What he showed during that first year at Penn State -- before the coaching change, before the system change, before all the things that derailed him -- would be enough for me to take this guy early. This man can run a 4.7-second 40, he is tough as hell and he works relentlessly. He just has to get in the right system with the right people and refocus on the small details.
2 Memories are too short when it comes to this QB
Hackenberg threw for 3,000 yards as an 18-year-old kid in an NFL offense that is hard to execute. I do not think people are giving him enough credit for that. The alert signals they had when Bill O'Brien was coaching him were straight out of the New England Patriots playbook. You might see 12-15 alerts per game. The quarterback's control at the line of scrimmage was similar to the Patriots'. We all have seen Tom Brady point to his temples countless times at the line of scrimmage. They had the same alerts and mannerisms at Penn State. For a freshman to be given that type of autonomy at the line of scrimmage is unusual. When you see the same plays from the same formations that the Patriots are running, with the same audible mannerisms, you are like, "Wow, this is cool."
Bolded is very key imo. Hackenberg showed his ass in an NFL, pro style offense with Obrien. Dude balled the fuck out when Obrien was there. hands down, balled the fuck out