Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)

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Bangee7
01-11-2016, 08:48 PM
I'm not sold on Long as LG or Licht as C anymore. Raji pushed him into last week & LeRib was thrown around all year. We have to be stout, especially in the middle.

And our short yardage backs are HORRIBLE.
What ever happened to diving over the pile?

We end up walking into the line standing up & getting stuffed, followed by a 2 yard loss.

30gut
01-11-2016, 08:51 PM
??? I thought the guy handled everything very well with alot of class.Many Redskins fans have long since turned on Griffin.

30gut
01-11-2016, 09:13 PM
Well now that it's over let's look at the future.....[Kirk] He deserves it after this season, he carried the offense the whole yr. Run game was weak all yr for the most part.

Keep building the oline and defense and we are fine.I think the WRs corps needs to be overhauled.

Jay's offense is decidedly pass first. Jay's offense, by design, trades runs for short passes. While that's good for passing yardage numbers it imo degrades run game production. As logical by product of pass centered offense is more time and emphasis gets devoted in practice and gameplan to the pass then the run. So, Kirk carrying the offense is imo a major part of the reason the run game was weak.

Anyhow...looking ahead I think the number 1 need for this team is a #1 WR.
A true #1 WR in today' hands free secondary can change an offense. Imo one of the flaws in our passing offense is that Garcon doesn't consistently win nor separate when the play design doesn't do it for him. (Kyle was great at that btw). If the play calls for X to 'win' and gain separation on their on against press or man-under defense Pierre doesn't win often enough. DeSean on the other hand almost always 'wins' 1 on 1s press/man-under, or whatever. But DeSean doesn't run the whole route tree. In breaking routes, between the hashes/numbers isn't DeSean strength.

A WCO with a #1 WR that consistently 'wins' changes everything.

I would also try to create as physically a dominating OL as possible. I believe Jay will stick with run game more if the OL can maul dudes.

Going forward my draft/offseason priorities are:
WRs, CB, 34 DE, Pass Rusher, OG/C, Blocking/Well rounded TE, NT, QB

DYoungJelly
01-11-2016, 09:18 PM
So, Kirk carrying the offense is imo a major part of the reason the run game was weak.

Interesting take.

Chico23231
01-11-2016, 09:26 PM
I'm not sold on Long as LG or Licht as C anymore. Raji pushed him into last week & LeRib was thrown around all year. We have to be stout, especially in the middle.

And our short yardage backs are HORRIBLE.
What ever happened to diving over the pile?

We end up walking into the line standing up & getting stuffed, followed by a 2 yard loss.

Remember Shawn Lauvao is still under contract and in his prime. He showed in camp, preaseason, and the first couple games of the season he was our best run blocking lineman. He should retain the left guard position

MTK
01-11-2016, 09:27 PM
??? I thought the guy handled everything very well with alot of class.

He did. But he can't win with some fans no matter what he does. He deserves a fresh start somewhere else.

30gut
01-11-2016, 09:35 PM
Interesting take.The same thing happened in Cinci. Dalton put up nice numbers at the expense of the run game. Its actually less about Kirk and more about Jay's offense. But, for me when one praises the QB in Jay Gruden's pass centric offense its that same pass centric focus that imo limits the run game in the first place.

Just look at the numbers from the last game. At a glance Kirk posted better numbers then Rodgers. But I would trade a bunch of those passes into Alf runs and maybe that would have been more productive/efficient?

Anyhow...if we're gonna be a passing team, Kirk would be all that much better if he had a Dez or an Odell or even a Randall Cobb.

What areas do you want addressed going forward?

Chico23231
01-11-2016, 09:36 PM
I think the WRs corps needs to be overhauled.

Jay's offense is decidedly pass first. Jay's offense, by design, trades runs for short passes. While that's good for passing yardage numbers it imo degrades run game production. As logical by product of pass centered offense is more time and emphasis gets devoted in practice and gameplan to the pass then the run. So, Kirk carrying the offense is imo a major part of the reason the run game was weak.

Anyhow...looking ahead I think the number 1 need for this team is a #1 WR.
A true #1 WR in today' hands free secondary can change an offense. Imo one of the flaws in our passing offense is that Garcon doesn't consistently win nor separate when the play design doesn't do it for him. (Kyle was great at that btw). If the play calls for X to 'win' and gain separation on their on against press or man-under defense Pierre doesn't win often enough. DeSean on the other hand almost always 'wins' 1 on 1s press/man-under, or whatever. But DeSean doesn't run the whole route tree. In breaking routes, between the hashes/numbers isn't DeSean strength.

A WCO with a #1 WR that consistently 'wins' changes everything.

I would also try to create as physically a dominating OL as possible. I believe Jay will stick with run game more if the OL can maul dudes.

Going forward my draft/offseason priorities are:
WRs, CB, 34 DE, Pass Rusher, OG/C, Blocking/Well rounded TE, NT, QB

Well u need to put RB on the list and fairly high.
Initial list

1. strong safety
2. Mauler/large Center
3. ILB (along side Compton)
4. RB
5. CB
6. Run Blocking TE
7 WR

There will be decisions to make with Pot Roast/Hatcher along the DL...it would be no surprise if we go d line first in draft. They are some ballers on the dline in this draft.

Bangee7
01-11-2016, 09:41 PM
Remember Shawn Lauvao is still under contract and in his prime. He showed in camp, preaseason, and the first couple games of the season he was our best run blocking lineman. He should retain the left guard position

yep, good point...I forgot about him.

hopefully he comes back as strong as ever.

MTK
01-11-2016, 09:44 PM
Lauvao has also undergone 5 surgeries in 3 months...

Redskins' Shawn Lauvao recovering from five surgeries in three months - Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/11/redskins-left-guard-shawn-lauvao-had-combined-five/)

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