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EARTHQUAKE2689
01-03-2016, 10:38 AM
While you can't have too many pass rushers I wouldn't go for Mario. Junior Gallette will come much cheaper for us. That would give us three outside rushers, and as always consider picking one up in the draft who could push Murph.

Mario will be incredibly costly. Resigning Cousins is going to eat a big chunk of cap space, I'd rather save the space. If I'm going to pay for any position this year it's safety.

Would you go after Eric Berry??

REDSKINS4ever
01-03-2016, 01:10 PM
Would you go after Eric Berry??

Dashon Goldson has been beyond serviceable..... I'd rather have him than Eric Berry.....I doubt if KC let's Berry enter free agency anyway.....

That Guy
01-03-2016, 05:32 PM
Goldson...wow. I guess our memories are short on the last ten years of free safety play. Unfuckingbelievable. You make every effort to bring him back next year.

kory hasn't played since week 7, he's better than guys that are starting for us right now, so, yeah, you're right, lets just keep the worse players that replaced him instead.

goldson is already under contract for 2016, but for $8m base, which i assume they'll try to reduce with a new deal. you don't actually have to make any effort to get him back.

hatcher had 20 tackles and 2 sacks this year. he's played well, but for 8$m a year you don't possibly think we could do better than that? really?

Chico23231
01-03-2016, 05:45 PM
kory hasn't played since week 7, he's better than guys that are starting for us right now, so, yeah, you're right, lets just keep the worse players that replaced him instead.

goldson is already under contract for 2016, but for $8m base, which i assume they'll try to reduce with a new deal. you don't actually have to make any effort to get him back.

hatcher had 20 tackles and 2 sacks this year. he's played well, but for 8$m a year you don't possibly think we could do better than that? really?

Hatcher and goldson will renegotiate with us IF we decide we want them too. It's no secret, they will not get big money on the open market so it's in their best interest to take 4-5 million next year. They are happy here, they play and have had tremendous impacts along our defense. In the meantime, we can draft their replacement this year or the following.

Kory isn't special...just a guy with little impact, easily replaced. Again, look at the draft prospects and pending free agents, there is actually a lot of depth at center

Evilgrin
01-03-2016, 05:50 PM
Should be a very interesting offseason, I can hold off for a few more weeks though.

Congrats to Preston Smith for being the best rookie pass rusher, LOL. Didn't look that way in the beginning.

sevier2
01-03-2016, 06:01 PM
You're right. A good 3-4 DE can be found in the draft in the late rounds....and this particular football player would have a much higher motor than Jason Hatcher!

I don't know about higher motor, Hatch has always been a hustler who's known for his effort.

Better knees? Yeah you could find those for cheap in the draft.

Schneed10
01-04-2016, 12:16 PM
too me it makes zero fucking sense in one breath to say hey let's keep the weak link on the Oline and in the other breath say hey lets get rid of our best d-lineman.


Setting aside the Kory bashing, which I don't agree with you on at all, I have to challenge this asinine shit. Hatcher was nowhere near our best lineman, Chris Baker was.

Sacks: Hatcher 2, Baker 6
Tackles: Hatcher 20, Baker 53
Forced Fumbles: Hatcher 1, Baker 3

Ricky Jean had basically the same production as Hatcher in half the snaps. RJF had 26 tackles, 2 sacks, and 1 forced fumble.

I understand stats are an incomplete measure of D-line play. But Baker whips Hatcher on the eye test any day of the week. And I would say Knighton was generally more impactful than Hatcher. You didn't see Hatcher getting double teamed often, you saw Knighton draw it all the time.

I would say Hatcher was our least valuable starting defensive lineman this year. I think Hatcher on the eye test was better than RJF but it's not that cut and dry.

He's in severe decline. Three years ago with Dallas he had 11 sacks. Down to 6 last year. And 2 this year, despite playing in a one-gap that should have suited him much better.

Now let's talk about the cap space issue. Hatcher takes up $8.7M next year, cutting him would save $4.25M. Meanwhile Kory takes up only $4.0M, and cutting him saves us $3.0M. Cutting Hatcher gives you space to sign a starting caliber player, cutting Kory gives you the space to sign an average starting center in the NFL... like Kory Lichtensteiger.

NoCalHail
01-04-2016, 12:31 PM
The issue with Hatcher is he shouldn't be an every down DE anymore. If we could find someone else to take most the snaps, and then insert Hatcher on obvious passing downs, I think his production could increase because he'd be saving what's left in the tanks merely to go after the QB.

Ruhskins
01-04-2016, 12:31 PM
Setting aside the Kory bashing, which I don't agree with you on at all, I have to challenge this asinine shit. Hatcher was nowhere near our best lineman, Chris Baker was.

Sacks: Hatcher 2, Baker 6
Tackles: Hatcher 20, Baker 53
Forced Fumbles: Hatcher 1, Baker 3

Ricky Jean had basically the same production as Hatcher in half the snaps. RJF had 26 tackles, 2 sacks, and 1 forced fumble.

I understand stats are an incomplete measure of D-line play. But Baker whips Hatcher on the eye test any day of the week. And I would say Knighton was generally more impactful than Hatcher. You didn't see Hatcher getting double teamed often, you saw Knighton draw it all the time.

I would say Hatcher was our least valuable starting defensive lineman this year. I think Hatcher on the eye test was better than RJF but it's not that cut and dry.

He's in severe decline. Three years ago with Dallas he had 11 sacks. Down to 6 last year. And 2 this year, despite playing in a one-gap that should have suited him much better.

Now, since you seem to have trouble counting, let's talk about the cap space issue. Hatcher takes up $8.7M next year, cutting him would save $4.5M. Meanwhile Kory takes up only $4.0M, and cutting him only saves us $1.0M. Cutting Hatcher gives you space to sign a starting caliber player, cutting Kory gives you the space to sign somebody like Adam Hayward, a special teams stalwart but not much else.

So do you know what you're talking about, like at all?

And here's Schneed after writing this post:

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Schneed10
01-04-2016, 12:33 PM
Would you go after Eric Berry??

I would consider that, but my approach would not be to gear up Redskins One to sign him at 12:01 on the dawn of free agency, that's when you overpay. I would wait for the market to come to me, and in all likelihood Berry will have been snatched up by somebody on the first day of free agency, if the Chiefs even let him get there.

So I would be unlikely to pay what it takes to get him. I'd rather wait, let the market set itself, then try to make a value play.

I'd retain Goldson instead. He was solid for us and is a strong & respected leader. I would only rework his deal if I thought I really needed the cap space, and I'm not sure we will. Goldson counts $8M on the cap next year, but keep in mind Jairus Byrd counts $11M, Earl Thomas counts $10M, and Eric Weddle (pending free agent) counted $10M last year. Berry himself counted $11.6M in 2014.

So while Goldson is fairly pricey you have to be careful what you wish for. If you want to replace Goldson with Berry it will cost you a few more million in cap space, and you'd have a disruption in the locker room with a new face coming in while you lose one of the most respected players in there.

My rule is simple - draft draft draft. Very little big guaranteed money to players advanced in their primes.

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