Cousins has arrived

if alex smith is getting 17m, you probably cant offer kirk 15. if you're not sure he's real, guarantee the first 2 years fully or something.

as far as how contentious the negotiations are, that depends entirely on his agent and their relationship. one would hope it's no big deal, but until he's signed, you never know.

And if Cousins does haggle for $18M, I don't think McCloughan would balk. This is definitely going to be a conciliatory negotiation.

Looking at your list, seems like 17-18 milllion should certainly satisfy Kirk's desire to feel wanted, and also give the Skins a reasonably clear salary cap going forward.

Can I re-iterate just how very glad i am that the new CBA got rid of the enormous 1st contract issues.

Umm yea.

Who is going to be the QB of the Rams next year?

Well to be fair they did have Sam Bradford.


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well to be fair they did have sam bradford.


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hah!

RG3 Stans week 1 "We've seen Kirk in 9 games already. We know who he is and don't need to start him"

RG3 Stans now "I still need to see more before we pay him a big contract, to make sure he's the guy"

It won't matter what Kirk does. If you didn't like him then, you won't like him now if you hate him because he took the other guys spot.

He's young and should get better each year.
He did what he did with a young Oline and no running game this year.
He's definitely got more risk than the Brady / Brees / Rodgers tier.
He's probably not as good as the KC supporters think
He's probably not as bad as the haters think

He'll get paid, but agree $17-18 million is reasonable, and put in escalators, bonuses, whatever to make the sides meet. And each year the cap goes up so a longer deal that we can get out of if necessary may be better for us (IF he is a legit starter)

BUT here's the question - why do any of us care? We have TONS of cap room, none of us should care if they overspend on him by 1-2 million. It's Snyder's money and if McC continues to draft well our team has lots of rookie contracts which are cheaper.

Schneed, thanks for posting the QB salaries and commenting on where Kirk fits among them. I found it very informative.

As you pointed out, $17-18MM per season feels like the range where this deal gets done. He might get a little more but, as ethat pointed out, if he does it's not going to kill our salary cap number.

I think Kirk is probably craving respect as an NFL QB. With that in mind, I think it might be meaningful to him if his contract exceeds, even if by only a little, the $16.5MM the Skins threw away on RGIII's contract this past season. That's just human nature.

Whenever I think of an NFL QB who compares to Kirk, I think first of Alex Smith. IMO, Kirk is a more accurate passer than Smith but Smith is a better athlete and more experienced than Kirk. I think it's close between the two of them.

Whenever I think of what Kirk can become as an NFL QB, I think of Andy Dalton. Perhaps it's just the association with Jay Gruden that causes me to think that way, but that's what I envision for Kirk.

Smith is super conservative while Kirk likes to go downfield more when he has the time in the pocket. I like the Dalton comparison. Neither have the biggest arm but are good at getting the ball out on time, and can go downfield accurately when time allows.

It's not 'just Snyder's money', as I believe in managing the cap closely to give yourself a leg up on the competition. But you don't risk letting this negotiation get to a contentious stage over $500K in cap room. I agree, you just get it done.

Also it was mentioned, but locking a guy in for longer term means the contract will age, and you benefit on the back end of the deal by having a guy whose contract isn't appreciating while the market soars for others. Of course, the risk is you commit for too long to a guy who could bust out, you never know.

4 years $70 million, with a mutual option for a 5th year at $20M. That's how I'm calling it.

I'm going to just throw this up against the wall and see if it sticks.



Scenario: let's say negotiations don't go well with Cousins, his agent's demands are outrageous, so McCloughan slaps the franchise tag on him.



Remember, players under the franchise tag can sign offer sheets elsewhere. The Redskins would then have the option to match the offer sheet or let him go and take two first round picks in return.



Let's say he signs that offer sheet. Would you take the picks, or match the deal? Obviously your answer might be 'depends on how much the offer sheet is for'. Feel free to set a limit.



I know what I would do but curious to hear. And for the record I don't think the negotiations ever get to this stage. But for shits and giggles, as they say.


Sign him at all costs. We have a full compliment of our own draft picks, and QB is waaaay too important to mess around with. Im not risking what we have going on here for a few million either way.

He's young and should get better each year.

He did what he did with a young Oline and no running game this year.

He's definitely got more risk than the Brady / Brees / Rodgers tier.

He's probably not as good as the KC supporters think

He's probably not as bad as the haters think



He'll get paid, but agree $17-18 million is reasonable, and put in escalators, bonuses, whatever to make the sides meet. And each year the cap goes up so a longer deal that we can get out of if necessary may be better for us (IF he is a legit starter)



BUT here's the question - why do any of us care? We have TONS of cap room, none of us should care if they overspend on him by 1-2 million. It's Snyder's money and if McC continues to draft well our team has lots of rookie contracts which are cheaper.


His numbers over the last ten weeks of the season and the facts about no run game and a young oline (you can throw in a bad D because a good D keeps the O in rhythm and gets u better field position at times) suggest he is as good as us supporters think.
Edit: remember when people were saying let me see two good games in a row, well he gave us several.