Breaking News on team name

Did you read your Blackfoot article? It is largely Pro-Redskin. If that is your position, you have done well. If yours is "slur" you may want to read the piece.......

Please read what it is I wrote ,yes I am pro name and have said nothing different but don't tell me all NA aren't against it and don't tell me it was never a slur.Through times things change but All I started out to do was show both sides becuase in an open debate you must present both sides.

I posted the Blackfoot artical to show that even members of the same tribe are not in agreement on this thing,if you read the whole thing it's not largely it's about half.

LOL, well now you are just plain adorable, giantone. And contradicting your earlier positions. But OK for fun let's take you at your word... glad you have seen the light!

What is ignorant is not understand the other side of the argument.You say there is none so anyone who tries to explain it to you is in your words"ignorant"I feel sorry for you .No, I have said the "washington redskins name is racist" side is WRONG. And proven it to you before, your denials notwithstanding.

As I have said before for this to be coming out now or even two years ago is HS and I actually back DS on this issueWonderful, DS' position is:

Washington Redskins owner Daniel Snyder told ESPN's "Outside the Lines" that he is adamant he doesn't have to bow to pressure to change his team's nickname because it's not disparaging to Native Americans but instead a term of honor and respect. (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11313245/daniel-snyder-redskins-term-honor-respect)

So I am glad we can agree on this, giantone!


Now for you to say the most NA's feel like you do or the word was never a racial slur is not correct(underline mine) Oh for the love of... giant one, you can't get ONE POST done without contradicting yourself. BTW you dishonestly state my position as well. For starter, I NEVER SAID the term was "never" used as a slur. I have REPEATEDLY said that the name wasn't used originally as a slur, that novelists and movie-makers took the name and used it as a slur. (and btw they did the same to just about any nickname for NA's "indian" "injun" "chief" "red man" during that time period) Since then the name has been used as Dan Snyder described, by the Washington football team, and other teams including some NA teams!, as a name to root for, symbolizing strength, honor, and respect. And that's how the name is commonly used today.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/in-arizona-a-navajo-high-school-emerges-as-a-defender-of-the-washington-redskins/2014/10/26/dcfc773a-592b-11e4-8264-deed989ae9a2_story.html

And again giantone, poll after poll has proven most Americans and most NAs don't support changing the name "redskins".

Americans (including NAs) (https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/new-poll-says-large-majority-of-americans-believe-redskins-should-not-change-name/2014/09/02/496e3dd0-32e0-11e4-9e92-0899b306bbea_story.html)

NAs (http://www.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/redskins-question-in-2004-annenberg-study-cited-anew-in-controversy/)

More (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/10/20/the-14-percent/)

All this, despite a long and vocal whine from the PC crowd of the easily offended which has been noted is mainly other ethnicities than NAs (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9689220/redskins-name-change-not-easy-sounds), is actually pretty remarkable this day and age.

believe me or don't it makes no difference to me all I'm doing is voicing my opinion in a forum. You say you called me on it and I threw it back at you .It's called an honest debate.Giantone, you did nothing but trot out the same already disproven assertions you tried before through proxy, by citing links already disproven. AND YOU LIED ABOUT MY POSITION ABOVE. I underlined it for everyone to see. Please don't ever call yourself an honest debater after this, not to mention way back when you lied during a gun control debate about what RedskinRat said, and about "not wanting to take you guns away" and then cheering a NY law that did just that.

Already refuted this thread.

[quote=Giantone;1134054]This one says pretty much what you and I both say!

Is 'Redskins' a racial slur? Blackfeet weigh in (http://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/news/local/2014/11/17/redskins-racial-slur-blackfeet-weigh/19206641/)It MOSTLY says pretty much what *I* have said, not anything you have directly said...

and another...........

When Slang Becomes a Slur - The Atlantic (http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/06/a-linguist-on-why-redskin-is-racist-patent-overturned/373198/)

and last for now.

Washington Redskins trademark ruling: 8 ways 'Redskin' is a slur - POLITICO (http://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/washington-redskins-trademark-ruling-108025)

Merry Christmas and Best of luck Sat!And here we go again. giantone, these links oppose the position that Dan Synder takes on the name "Redskins". So which is it, giantone? Who's position do you REALLY support?


And by the way, you owe me an apology for lying about what I have said in this debate. And you did it in the same paragraph you claimed you were "throwing back" at me an "honest debate". Apologize.

I apologize that you can't seem to understand an honest debate. I have said what I have said about this and I have been consistent .We agree to disagree on your perception of my opinion .
Enjoy your teams great victory and enjoy the fact that your team is the NFC East Champs and your trip into the post season.:)

I apologize that you can't seem to understand an honest debate.LOL. Another insult. (see above)

I have said what I have said about this and I have been consistent .Another lie. (See above)

We agree to disagree on your perception of my opinion .Another lie about what I am saying. (See above) SMH

Enjoy your teams great victory and enjoy the fact that your team is the NFC East Champs and your trip into the post season.:)And the usual platitude from you that you obviously don't mean, considering your continued lying the same post. LOL.

Not sure a better term for you is either "trolling" or with the way you posted links earlier "debating in bad faith", or "debating by proxy".

Whatever decription is best Giantone, your "apology" is kinda like if Odell Beckham tried acting like a good sport after the panthers game. Pretty transparent.

That's all, unless you want to re-hash the same refuted stuff. This is gonna seem so fake, but it's not: Happy Holidays, giantone.

I'm in Arizona now so i get to run into some Natives every now and then, also live by some reservations. You still see a lot of them going to Redskin games wearing their Redskin jerseys. Just had an old friend of the family visit thats works on a Hopi reservation near Flagstaff. She sees a lot of Redskin gear over there.
I remember the local news talking about protests at the game, but i didnt see any last year. I was tailgating most of day so i figured to see something.

Really it gets old. And that it needs to come to an agreement. And it will sadly drag on.

I'm in Arizona now so i get to run into some Natives every now and then, also live by some reservations. You still see a lot of them going to Redskin games wearing their Redskin jerseys. Just had an old friend of the family visit thats works on a Hopi reservation near Flagstaff. She sees a lot of Redskin gear over there.
I remember the local news talking about protests at the game, but i didnt see any last year. I was tailgating most of day so i figured to see something.

the "protest" was about 10 people, so i'm not surprised you missed it.

the "protest" was about 10 people, so i'm not surprised you missed it.

I think that was pretty much the heart and soul of the Oneida nation.........

once again the name appears to be an issue. Notice in this list the only team listed only by city is Washington.Playoff teams lose players every offseason and these guys could be next - NFL (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14670101/playoff-teams-lose-players-every-offseason-guys-next-nfl)

pffffttttt
ESPN can blow me.......