Domestic terrorism

How dare you try to confuse the issue with facts!

So ,it's full blown terrorism not just some wacko with a gun.....oh wait, so tell me what the difference is again? (SARCASM ALERT)


Can we stop everything , no we can't and I do understand that but can't we just make it harder for these people to do what they do ?

Most of the deaths in Paris were from the guns not the bombs. The guns were result of no border between France and countries with lax gun laws, not France's own laws. Just like many guns used in California crimes are the result of Nevada's non-existent gun laws.
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This is simply a false statement. If you don't believe me (I assume you won't), then I suggest you look at the links below. The short answer is every EU country has signed an agreement to a minimum restrictive set of gun laws. If they aren't being followed (ie Belgium) that moreso makes my point.

The long version follows:

The EU stance, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation#European_Union:
Prior to abolition of the internal border controls, the Council of the European Communities adopted the Directive 91/477/EEC, which was later, in 2008, amended by Directive 2008/51/EC. As a Directive, it is not a self-executing norm, but a legislative act which requires Member State to achieve a particular result without dictating the means of achieving it. Member States must meet the minimum requirements laid down by the directive, but may also elect to adopt more stringent rules.[89] Thus certain countries such as the United Kingdom or Poland are unaffected as they maintain more stringent gun control laws than those effectively set as a minimum by the European Union, while others, like the Czech Republic, were forced to introduce more regulation in their national legislation.

Further,

Here are France's direct neighbors, the length of the border, and a synopsis of their gun laws or rating as provided by GunPolicy.org, Gun Law and Policy: Firearms and armed violence, country by country (http://www.gunpolicy.org)

Andorra 56.6 km -
Civilian Gun Registration
In Andorra, the law does require that a record of the acquisition, possession and transfer of each privately held firearm be retained in an official register
Gun Dealer Record Keeping
In Andorra, licensed firearm dealers are required to keep a record of each firearm or ammunition purchase, sale or transfer on behalf of a regulating authority

Belgium 620 km - The regulation of guns in Belgium is categorised as restrictive (http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/belgium)

Germany 451 km same link, The regulation of guns in Germany is categorised as restrictive

Italy 488 km
In Italy, only licensed gun owners may lawfully acquire, possess or transfer a firearm or ammunition
Genuine Reason Required for Firearm Possession
Applicants for a gun owner’s licence in Italy are required to establish a genuine reason to possess a firearm, for example self-defence, hunting, sport, work or performance of duties, as well as collection
Minimum Age for Firearm Possession
The minimum age for gun ownership in Italy is 18 years
Gun Owner Background Checks
An applicant for a firearm licence in Italy must pass a background check which considers criminal and mental records
Limit on Quantity, Type of Ammunition
Licensed firearm owners in Italy are permitted to possess only ammunition suitable for the intended firearm

Luxembourg 73 km - The regulation of guns in Luxembourg is categorised as restrictive

Monaco 4.4 km - The regulation of guns in Monaco is categorised as restrictive

Spain 623 km - The regulation of guns in Spain is categorised as restrictive

Switzerland 573 km - The regulation of guns in Switzerland is categorised as restrictive

For comparison, here are their remarks on the US:
- The regulation of guns in the United States is categorised as permissive
the United States, non-prohibited persons of minimum age 23 may lawfully acquire, possess or transfer a firearm or ammunition
Minimum Age for Firearm Possession
The minimum age for gun ownership in the United States is regulated by state or local authorities according to weapon type, but is 18 years to purchase shotguns and rifles and 21 years to purchase all other firearms, according to Federal law
Domestic Violence and Firearms
Where a past history, or apprehended likelihood of family violence exists, the law in the United States stipulates that firearm possession should be denied or guns seized
Licensing Records
In the United States, authorities do not maintain a record of individual civilians permitted to acquire, possess, carry, sell or transfer a firearm or ammunition

I realized I didn't include France's laws, but the same source puts them as restrictive, and the expanded sections are very detailed about just how they are. Here is the link for France:Guns in France — Firearms, gun law and gun control (http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/france)

Many of the EU union more more lax gun laws then those you mentioned. Many allow for semi automatic rifles that can be converted.

The fact is that gun laws work. Australia is a prime example. After the 1996 Port Arthur shooting, they did the sane thing and put in strict gun laws. There have been zero since that day. So don't sit there and tell me they don't work, because that is a lie.

I realized I didn't include France's laws, but the same source puts them as restrictive, and the expanded sections are very detailed about just how they are. Here is the link for France:Guns in France — Firearms, gun law and gun control (http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/france)

Since you like that site read this paper about the fact that a majority of gun deaths (86%) are caused by legally own guns held by their owners.

It is just a fact you don't want to deal with that less gun ownership equals less gun violence.

Many of the EU union more more lax gun laws then those you mentioned. Many allow for semi automatic rifles that can be converted.

The fact is that gun laws work. Australia is a prime example. After the 1996 Port Arthur shooting, they did the sane thing and put in strict gun laws. There have been zero since that day. So don't sit there and tell me they don't work, because that is a lie.

I mentioned all the countries that directly border France, and cited the EU framework that requires all countries to hold to certain standards.

Australia is a lousy example, because it is an island unto itself, and sparse population(23 million people over 2.97 million square miles compared to 318.9million people over 3.8 million square miles )

For the record there were gun homicides every year since 1996 in Australia. I don't know what you are saying is zero, but maybe you meant mass shootings?

Since you like that site read this paper about the fact that a majority of gun deaths (86%) are caused by legally own guns held by their owners.

It is just a fact you don't want to deal with that less gun ownership equals less gun violence.

I wouldn't argue against that.

I would argue that giving up an established right in the constitution, that was put there for a very specific reason, is a short sighted answer to the serious problem of how to reduce violence and will lead to a long term worse situation.

So ,it's full blown terrorism not just some wacko with a gun.....oh wait, so tell me what the difference is again? (SARCASM ALERT)


Can we stop everything , no we can't and I do understand that but can't we just make it harder for these people to do what they do ?

What are your thoughts on that issue?

Many of the EU union more more lax gun laws then those you mentioned. Many allow for semi automatic rifles that can be converted.

The fact is that gun laws work. Australia is a prime example. After the 1996 Port Arthur shooting, they did the sane thing and put in strict gun laws. There have been zero since that day. So don't sit there and tell me they don't work, because that is a lie.

Wow.......

The Facts That Neither Side Wants To Admit About Gun Control (http://www.mintpressnews.com/the-facts-that-neither-side-wants-to-admit-about-gun-control/207152/)

Or using Pressure Cookers like the Muslim boston bombers from Dagastan.

Are you saying ISIS needs to save their plane money and let our own Islamic terrorists kill us?

I think we have plenty of Christian terrorists (Planned Parenthood shootings) and heavily armed nuts (Sandy Hook, Aurora, etc., etc.) that cause plenty of terror in this country.