Domestic terrorism

There very likely could be a combination of two things going on here, but I don't see how guns aren't PART of this equation. Not sure who reads Reddit, but it is absolutely overrun with morons saying guns weren't part of the problem. I just don't understand how we can't limit the sales of these types of guns. People instantly hear ban and they assume it's everything. Will criminals still get guns if they want them? Absolutely. If a ban on assault rifles, extended magazines, etc. saves even ONE life, wouldn't it be worth it?

I don't imagine he would go through the channels to somehow get a black market assault rifle if it was illegal. The death toll could have been cut in half.

Before I get into this...what is this smoke screen? First, why would he(mateen the evil Islamic terrorist) have a smoke screen? Second, why would your president then go along with this smokescreen and declare it a terrorist attack?


Nobody said it wasn't a terrorist act. Just that it's not some radical Islamic terrorist attack.



I love how folks are stereotyping the stereotype they supposedly hate. He wasn't orthodox-y terrorist enough to call himself a proper terrorist.

Just because he isn't some jihadist doesn't mean he still isn't a terrorist. I'd say it was more of a hate crime/massacre than anything. Targeting a specific minority group for his destruction falls under that category.


Like I've repeatedly stated, when the narrative doesn't appease the left, they say fuck the facts, we need to make it up to support our cause. No ability to think objectively.

What facts are those? We've heard from plenty of people that say he wasn't really religious (ex-wife/family). Just because he calls into 911 and pledges allegiance to some nutjob faction doesn't make him apart of that faction.

How?

I'm going to step out of this. I come here to talk Redskins and football. I probably should have kept my mouth shut.

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This is pretty hilarious if you actually think this. The only reason ISIS even exists is because we armed/trained them to help in our proxy war with Syria. (history repeating itself no doubt) The reason we continue to have these ragtag extremist groups is because of our shitty foreign policy. A policy we've maintained since the mid 40s. Let this former CIA counterterrorism agent (Amaryllis Fox) explain some things to you.


https://www.facebook.com/ajplusenglish/videos/744058605735649/?pnref=story


I can't even fanthom why people are up here blaming Obama and his administration for this crap.


Your seriously gonna make a blanket statement like that to dismiss the notion this Administration has made very serious errors and steps in their handling of not only the ISIS, but the Syrian War and the Arab Spring as a whole? Very foolish.

First to your point of CIA or US Military training groups that support our interest...yes it happens, everyone knows that. Did the military train the 50K ISIS army under there Shonda flag, in between beheadings? ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NOT. THEY NEVER DID. They trained moderate* militias that break apart, get absolved by other militias overtime that fight the Assad regime...its not crazy to think that someone who was trained by the US eventually pledged allegiance to isis and joined their group...a lot of time over fear.

ISIS didn't just start with the Syrian war...their roots were the sectarian violence in Iraq and underground war vs the Iraq government and US forces. The one Bush put down after he rebuilt troop levels back up there. A lot of leadership within ISIS were/are x-Iraqi Army leadership.

Specifically to the mishandling of the Syrian War and the ISIS breakout from Syria into Iraq...Remember these words "JV team" by Obama? This is the same type of complicity that have lead to attacks here at home. The Presidents own words: Obama confesses: 'We don't have a strategy yet' for dealing with Islamic State - Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/28/obama-admits-isil-dilemma-we-dont-have-strategy-ye/)

Look Im not gonna get into what we should have done, that's the Presidents job and his administration. He and his crew have failed egregiously. Peoples lives are in danger here in this country and especially Europe. This was certainly preventable.

Nobody said it wasn't a terrorist act. Just that it's not some radical Islamic terrorist attack.





Just because he isn't some jihadist doesn't mean he still isn't a terrorist. I'd say it was more of a hate crime/massacre than anything. Targeting a specific minority group for his destruction falls under that category.




What facts are those? We've heard from plenty of people that say he wasn't really religious (ex-wife/family). Just because he calls into 911 and pledges allegiance to some nutjob faction doesn't make him apart of that faction.

He was certainly inspired by ISIS. He is certainly an Islamic terrorist, look above in the thread for the clear facts Ive listed. But your a terrorist apologist.

Was this anti-gay, hate crime...lol, well of course! No one is disputing this, the target selection is clear!!! You know he was casing other targets right????

Nobody said it wasn't a terrorist act. Just that it's not some radical Islamic terrorist attack.





Just because he isn't some jihadist doesn't mean he still isn't a terrorist. I'd say it was more of a hate crime/massacre than anything. Targeting a specific minority group for his destruction falls under that category.




What facts are those? We've heard from plenty of people that say he wasn't really religious (ex-wife/family). Just because he calls into 911 and pledges allegiance to some nutjob faction doesn't make him apart of that faction.

Folks this is the liberal left talking "Nutjob faction"...these aren't even a terrorist organization to these people. Wow This organization is openly committing genocide and attacking the west...nutjob faction. This is the same complicity of how we got here.....wow

Pledging allegiance to a terror organization twice over the phone does not make you a terrorist? DA FUQ.....

There very likely could be a combination of two things going on here, but I don't see how guns aren't PART of this equation. Not sure who reads Reddit, but it is absolutely overrun with morons saying guns weren't part of the problem. I just don't understand how we can't limit the sales of these types of guns. People instantly hear ban and they assu me it's everything. Will criminals still get guns if they want them? Absolutely. If a ban on assault rifles, extended magazines, etc. saves even ONE life, wouldn't it be worth it?

I don't imagine he would go through the channels to somehow get a black market assault rifle if it was illegal. The death toll could have been cut in half.

Assault weapons are essentially the same as any other semi-automatic weapon (handgun or rifle). Some are just scarier looking than others. The previous assault weapon ban had little or no effect on crime (depending on which lies you subscribe to). Another will likely have the same effect. As you stated, the people that you want to be deprived of guns.....won't be.
What is it you really expect to achieve?
We have a people problem and until we attack it from that angle, we'll see nothing progressive and we'll haven plenty more of the same. The gun is just a tool easily replaceable with bombs....anthrax.....nukes.....jetliners...fertili zer, etc.
Who knows? You cannot ban everything....or can you?
These people and groups have proven to highly inventive when confronted with such choices.
Hell, we can't get our borders under control. Until AT LEAST that happens, we cannot hope to stem the importation of bad guys and things we do not want them to have.

Assault weapons are essentially the same as any other semi-automatic weapon (handgun or rifle). Some are just scarier looking than others. The previous assault weapon ban had little or no effect on crime (depending on which lies you subscribe to). Another will likely have the same effect. As you stated, the people that you want to be deprived of guns.....won't be.
What is it you really expect to achieve?
We have a people problem and until we attack it from that angle, we'll see nothing progressive and we'll haven plenty more of the same. The gun is just a tool easily replaceable with bombs....anthrax.....nukes.....jetliners...fertili zer, etc.
Who knows? You cannot ban everything....or can you?
These people and groups have proven to highly inventive when confronted with such choices.
Hell, we can't get our borders under control. Until AT LEAST that happens, we cannot hope to stem the importation of bad guys and things we do not want them to have.

This is enough for me. Even a little is worth it. It always comes down to, "Well, it probably won't work so let's just not try it." I mean, why not? That's my question, why NOT try?

And trust me, I don't think guns are the sole problem nor do I think all guns should be banned. Obviously, this is pure speculation, but say we had an assault gun ban in effect, do you think the death toll would have been as high? I really don't think it would have been. I think your serious terrorist would do whatever they could to acquire bomb building materials, assault rifles, etc.

Again, if it lowered these types of crimes by .0000001% that's worth it because really, what is the cost?

understood...
Thanx for the clarification

This is enough for me. Even a little is worth it. It always comes down to, "Well, it probably won't work so let's just not try it." I mean, why not? That's my question, why NOT try?

And trust me, I don't think guns are the sole problem nor do I think all guns should be banned. Obviously, this is pure speculation, but say we had an assault gun ban in effect, do you think the death toll would have been as high? I really don't think it would have been. I think your serious terrorist would do whatever they could to acquire bomb building materials, assault rifles, etc.

Again, if it lowered these types of crimes by .0000001% that's worth it because really, what is the cost?

I think we need to separate a couple things...these assault weapons tend to be used in these activity shooter, mass killing.

"normal" gun violence tends to be hand guns and long guns.

The mass killings are headline makers...normal gun violence isn't talked about much.

We talk about mass killings a lot...we don't talk about everyday gun violence which affect more folks across the country. Chicago, Baltimore...? Are we good with this? Would assault weapons bans stop this violence? probably very little.

The mass killings are usually mentally unstable, mental illness...some terrorists. I think these people would still want to kill regardless of a ban of assault weapons. Is it the act or gun?

These are tough questions for sure