Skins v Jets - Positives and Negatives

Y'all need to stop talking about Griffin like he'll ever play here again. He's on the squad only until someone is desperate enough to take a flier on him. If that doesn't happen, he gets cut. Even the most wide eyed admirers of RG have to admit he was an unmitigated disaster when he played. I mean there was a tangible difference when he was forced out of a game and either Kirk or Colt came in for him.

And by now we're seeing just how competent Kirk is... Actually he is exactly what we thought he would be, a placeholder until Scot finds a permanent replacement. Certainly all of our staff knows this as well. Patience, yes even more patience is required. This is a better team than a year ago, and hopefully will really be competitive with some depth next year. Whether we have our QB by then is the question.

You could be right. Maybe KC is the kind of guy that is better as a back up. Meaning, he's perfect to come in and hold things down for a game or two. Or come off the bench if needed. Basically when he has no pressure on him to perform he may be better in that role. But we're still only 6 games in. I would like to see him get 16 games over playing McCoy.

There are some NFL coaches/execs that believe KC is nothing more and never will be anything more than a career backup; and then there are some that think he has the ability to be a franchise QB. We won't know which one it is unless he is given a chance...to fail or succeed.

Six games as the starter with a team fairly decimated with injuries does not = a chance. IMHO he needs the full season. Then if he is making "progress" - the full off season, and then into next season before he should be labeled as a career backup.

There are some NFL coaches/execs that believe KC is nothing more and never will be anything more than a career backup; and then there are some that think he has the ability to be a franchise QB. We won't know which one it is unless he is given a chance...to fail or succeed.

Six games as the starter with a team fairly decimated with injuries does not = a chance. IMHO he needs the full season. Then if he is making "progress" - the full off season, and then into next season before he should be labeled as a career backup.

No shit,people are too anxious to pull the plug or jump on the bandwagon.The media has been crucifying the skins for sticking with Cousins,well they dont know wtf they are talking about and have very short memories because apparently they forgot Vince Young Jr sucked balls too and couldnt read defenses.These same people that thought M Mariotta was going to be the greatest qb ever after the first game.
Playing qb for this team and its injury situation is like playing with one arm tied behind your back

It's not just the progress it's his inaccuracy which is content and then u throw on top of that his horrific decisions during games and it's like a double negative.

Y'all need to stop talking about Griffin like he'll ever play here again. He's on the squad only until someone is desperate enough to take a flier on him. If that doesn't happen, he gets cut. Even the most wide eyed admirers of RG have to admit he was an unmitigated disaster when he played. I mean there was a tangible difference when he was forced out of a game and either Kirk or Colt came in for him. Hmmmnn, thanks for the update on what me and my'all? lol need to stop talking about.

Its actually too bad because later you actually made some points worth discussing; even though I obviously disagree with them. But that opening...nah.

-Cheers!

I feel that RGIII lost his job due to his own flaws as a pocket QB. Yet he has his strengths as a QB, as well. So, I don't think it's time to write him off. He needs to do what other young NFL QB's who have lost their jobs have done; i.e, continue to work hard, support his teammates, and don't stir up any controversy. I think has has done those things. Sooner or later, he will get another chance either here or elsewhere.

Right now, Kirk is getting a chance to claim the job. He has his strengths and weaknesses, as well, and they are currently on display. I don't know whether he'll make it or not.

I feel there is a contractual and salary cap reality that may be casting a shadow on this competition. We know about the injury provision in the CBA and how it could affect RGIII's future with the Redskins. Nevertheless, the Skins can keep him next season, if they want to. Kirk's situation is different. He can be a FA at the end of this season. Looking at those facts alone, it is more urgent to find out if Kirk can be the man by playing him now, before he becomes a FA, than it is to find out about RGIII. Nevertheless, the Skins need to find out if one of them can be their QB of the future.

The Skins certainly don't want give both players lucrative contracts. That would blow up the salary cap entirely. They may even decide to not sign either player for 2016. But if they eventually decide to not keep either one, then they will probably need to see more of RGIII this season. So, the question is: How long does Kirk have to prove he is the man for the job? I think it is probably only about the first twelve games of this season. If Kirk fails to claim the job after twelve games, I think they may well decide to not sign him and to go back to starting RGIII to see if they want to pick up his option for 2016. At that point, they'll take the risk of RGIII getting injured. But I think it is unlikely that they'll put RGIII on the field again, other than in a dire emergency, before they make their determination about Kirk.

I really don't want to get into another Griff/Kirk sink hole.

too late :(

But I see it differently. Obviously 2012 was without exaggeration phenomenal. The 1st year post 2012 was 2013 and in that year Griffin was a better QB and pocket passer then Kirk.

People forget but Kirk was actually terrible in 2013 and whereas Griffin was merely perceived as terrible despite actually being average or just a touch below. I could post the stats but people should remember.

I think J made the decision to move on from Griffin as soon as he was hired and it wasn't forced by anything other then his on volition. People say Kirk deserves more time and maybe he does, he's already received more time in J's system then Griffin. And I'll admit that right now the team lacks weapons but the 2012 had about the same or less talent then this team right now.

But if Kirk/J get more time and still don't produce then it would make sense to move to Griffin but everyone knows that J isn't about that life.

Just using your logic, IF KC was worse in JG's system at first, and now is better and RG3 was better at first and now is worse, then why would it make any sense to put RG3 in at any point this season.

in other words if KC has been able to improve, and RG3 has shown regression, why would you change back to RG3?

I cant even stomach the posts here sometimes after losses lol... im not sold on pulling the plug on cousins.... i am however ready to give up on gruden and mcvay... i cant give barry a pass until we try ONE STUNT, TWIST, DELAYED BLUTZ SOMETHING OTHER THAN RUSHING 4 STRAIGHT AHEAD PLAY AFTER PLAY AFTER PLAY, NO WONDER WE GET SHREDDED. SMFH

I cant even stomach the posts here sometimes after losses lol... im not sold on pulling the plug on cousins.... i am however ready to give up on gruden and mcvay... i cant give barry a pass until we try ONE STUNT, TWIST, DELAYED BLUTZ SOMETHING OTHER THAN RUSHING 4 STRAIGHT AHEAD PLAY AFTER PLAY AFTER PLAY, NO WONDER WE GET SHREDDED. SMFH

I think up until the Jets game, Barry was doing a pretty damn good job. Yeah we got gashed by Freeman and the Falcons too, but who hasn't been this year? You can only do so much, the players need to show some sort of output on the field.

Not ready to jump off his bandwagon quite yet.

I think up until the Jets game, Barry was doing a pretty damn good job. Yeah we got gashed by Freeman and the Falcons too, but who hasn't been this year? You can only do so much, the players need to show some sort of output on the field.

Not ready to jump off his bandwagon quite yet.

Yea im not giving up on him, just do SOMETHING lol, we got zero pressure on fitpatrick and he himself gashed us... we hardly ever blitz we never stunt or do anything inventive.... i dunno, it needs some switching up to get pressure imo