Bucket
10-04-2015, 04:01 AM
You do understand that Jay gruden strategy of throw first at the beginning of the game lead us directly to the 9-0 hole?
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People belive this shit? This fan base lol
Chico23231
10-04-2015, 10:37 AM
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Predictable play action when the ball was on our own, what 10 yard line? Are you telling me you didnt know that play when it was ran, immediately? Instead of throwing in a design where instead of running the same ole square in which was jumped by 10 yards by the man coverage which everyone could see as well...on that play action which the ball fake was to the wrong side by the back, why not at least throw in another design? If I know the play, you bet the defense does..
So the 3rd down pick play...we have had several offensive pass interference penalties on pic plays already this season. We ran an obvious pic...good call by the refs...takes us out of a big gain and negates a first down. Poor play call and design. This backs us up so we are punting up against our end zone.
Plummer, who was just signed off the practice squad, obviously pushed back blocking on the first attempt. 2nd attempt do to penalty same guy gets blocked punt. No adjustment by staff.
9-0
Also, are you telling me every team needs a desean jax in order to scheme a deep threat? Without d jax we accept the fact we can't throw a deep ball? We just allow the safeties to play up on the line?
Look around the fucking league, you have lesser qb with much less experience doing a good job. Hell, our oline is twice as good as it was last year.
DYoungJelly
10-04-2015, 11:17 AM
Poor play call and design.
It was an awesome play call and design that got a 33 yard gain.
All Reed had to do was turn and extend his arms like he was waiting for the ball. He pretty much extended his arms into the defender in coverage like he was blocking.
You're right, it was an extremely easy call for the official.
The way it worked out on the field probably wasn't how it was practiced.
Just a thought, but maybe they were trying to go after Merriwether's coverage skills just like every team we played last year.
The timing of the call burned the Giant's D.
I believe the execution was bad.
We can agree to disagree.
DYoungJelly
10-04-2015, 11:45 AM
The notion that because a team plays 8 in the box we can't/shouldn't run is dumb. And its also patently incorrect. Hyperbole. Exxageration. Its untrue. A fabrication. A falsehood. A misconception. A myth. A fallacy.
Go back and watch the play.
I think it's a poor choice to run and do not fault the pass play call based on the pre-snap look the defense gave.
You're 100% right. I don't know the outcome of a run call on that particular 2nd and 7.
An end or a D tackle could have had a kidney stone attack and hit the deck and we could have gotten a 1st down.
Other than that, I think it would have gone for a loss or no gain because:
1: McRib just came in and was cold.
2. At the snap 8 Giants were in the box
3. 7 of the 8 in the box were at the line of scrimmage
4. Merriwether was walking down watching our backfield the whole play making the total 9 defenders playing run.
5. The Giants have one of the top run defenses in the league.
6. When a top run defense commits 9 defenders to the stopping the run on a given play, I believe it is a bad idea to call a run on that play.
That being said, I would like to take this opportunity to apologize to all readers of that post for including misleading, false, but certainly not malicious information.
LET ME BE CLEAR. I DO NOT ACTUALLY KNOW IF A RUN WOULD HAVE RESULTED IN A 2 YARD LOSS.
I'm sorry. I will try to clean it up, much like Reed's route running on pick plays, in the future.
Hey, look on the bright side. After this year, maybe they can bring in another HC to fix RGIII.
30gut
10-04-2015, 12:22 PM
I would hate it if you were OC. Lol, If a team wanted to stop your run game all they need to do is show you an 8 man box and you wouldn't even try.
You know how teams acclimate an fresh OL into the game? Run the ball. So I disagree completely with LeRib being in the game is a good reason to pass instead of run. I believe the exact opposite is true for most if not all coaches.
I have no idea what your hang up about Griffin has to do with this discussion or anything I've posted regarding this current discussion.
30gut
10-04-2015, 12:29 PM
Finally...the 3rd and 2 pass call--
I don't have a problem with the call itself. The concept and play design was sound just poorly executed. But that is the risk you take with a pass play in that situation. More has to go right for a pass play to work then a run play. There are reasons why passing is lower efficiency then running, passing failure rates are MUCH higher then runs.
And early in the game for a team that fancies itself a run team that was an opportunity to establish the run game.
Further historically the fact remains that we were better running the ball on 3rd and 2 or less then we are passing the ball; that was a fact last year. Now fast forward to this year. We have been improved OL and OL coach. And we were able to run the ball effectively against the Rams D and 8 man front and the Rams DL is better then the Giants. So for me the high efficiency play is to run the ball and we didn't and it failed.
30gut
10-04-2015, 12:41 PM
It's was a low efficiency play call that could possibly have a higher yield then a run. But that 1st 3rd and 2 situation call more for efficiency then big yards.
To each theirs....
Anyhow cheers to a win today!
DYoungJelly
10-04-2015, 05:30 PM
I would hate it if you were OC. Lol, If a team wanted to stop your run game all they need to do is show you an 8 man box and you wouldn't even try.
You know how teams acclimate an fresh OL into the game? Run the ball. So I disagree completely with LeRib being in the game is a good reason to pass instead of run. I believe the exact opposite is true for most if not all coaches.
The first part isn't remotely close to what I posted.
The second part was but one of several considerations.
The Giants defensive coordinator agreed with you because he committed 9 guys to stop the run. (I'm counting the safety who ignored the receivers and was staring at our running back the whole play)
I agreed with a pass call on a single play where a great run defense showed before the snap they were selling out to stop the run and then did.
Nothing more.