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Alvin Walton
09-29-2015, 12:37 PM
Cooley gets a try out?

https://twitter.com/ESPNRadio980/status/648589154616520704

Chico23231
09-29-2015, 01:12 PM
Through three games, Andrew Luck ranks dead last in passer rating | ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/29/through-three-games-andrew-luck-ranks-dead-last-in-passer-rating/)

why is this guy seen as the second coming of Peyton? Why does the media tend to give him a pass?

73 turnovers in 51 games played...give me a effing break. "oh its the Oline, Pagano's fault, irsay fault, oh they have a bad defense" folks enough is enough, dude isnt that great.

jamf
09-29-2015, 01:38 PM
Through three games, Andrew Luck ranks dead last in passer rating | ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/29/through-three-games-andrew-luck-ranks-dead-last-in-passer-rating/)

why is this guy seen as the second coming of Peyton? Why does the media tend to give him a pass?

73 turnovers in 51 games played...give me a effing break. "oh its the Oline, Pagano's fault, irsay fault, oh they have a bad defense" folks enough is enough, dude isnt that great.

They give him a pass because of RG3 and this shit show we put out every week.
He looks great compared to what we got.

30gut
09-29-2015, 01:50 PM
Context is crucial with everything in football, and if you believe we are saying that Rodgers had a poor game last night because his grade has a minus in front of it, then let me set your mind at ease; I do not think Rodgers played a poor, subpar game last night and neither does anybody else at Pro Football Focus.Rodgers did his job last night, but his job was executing simple throws, putting the ball quickly in the hands of receivers like Randall Cobb in favorable matchups on short throws, and allowing others to do the heavy lifting.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/09/29/why-aaron-rodgers-earned-a-slightly-negative-grade/

Its a good read for those interested in more then a cursory hot take viewpoint of what PFF is about.

More.....

...Two of his touchdown passes were good or very good throws. His first touchdown pass on a whip to Ty Montgomery was a good throw leading his receiver away from the coverage for the score, so it earned a positive grade. His third touchdown pass to James Jones was a good throw on a back-shoulder pass yet again taking advantage of a free play, so it earned a positive grade........The other three touchdowns, however, were passes thrown short of the end zone on speed outs to Randall Cobb. Were they bad throws? No, they were expected throws with the credit going to Cobb for fighting through contact or defeating the coverage with speed to the edge. That makes these zero-graded throws: Three passes that have a massive effect on Rodgers’ statistical performance but do not increase his grade............................................. .The greatness of Rodgers’ performance last night was in the intangibles. Recognizing the blitz, drawing the defense offsides, catching the Chiefs in bad situations and exploiting those scenarios with simple passes to open receivers. But you cannot — and we do not try to — quantify intangibles, or what comes pre-snap. Our system grades what can be graded — the execution of the play post-snap — and in that regard Rodgers did not stand out in the same way that his statistics did.

Kope
09-29-2015, 02:06 PM
You know, except for all those Super Bowls..

We have had QBs executed their duties with in the team construct to win 3 SBs. But in my opinion those were great teams not great QBs.

Kope
09-29-2015, 02:09 PM
Really... Rippen?

Ok Mr Matty I will go to the blackboard again....

Rypien, Rypien, Rypien, Rypien, Rypien, Rypien, Rypien, Rypien, Rypien, Rypien ....

speller I am not

Chico23231
09-29-2015, 02:13 PM
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/09/29/why-aaron-rodgers-earned-a-slightly-negative-grade/

Its a good read for those interested in more then a cursory hot take viewpoint of what PFF is about.

More.....

"The greatness of Rodgers’ performance last night was in the intangibles. Recognizing the blitz, drawing the defense offsides, catching the Chiefs in bad situations and exploiting those scenarios with simple passes to open receivers. But you cannot — and we do not try to — quantify intangibles, or what comes pre-snap. Our system grades what can be graded — the execution of the play post-snap — and in that regard Rodgers did not stand out in the same way that his statistics did. "

BUT these intangibles seperate the great ones. Intangibles are extremely extremely important...thats why Rogers is, along with Brady, the best QBs in the league. That why I say "use your eyes" the dude could be the best QB in the history of the league...im not joking. He could be.

Alvin Walton
09-29-2015, 02:17 PM
We have had QBs executed their duties with in the team construct to win 3 SBs. But in my opinion those were great teams not great QBs.

There is a pretty extensive list of teams that have never won a super bowl.
AFAIC that keeps us off of any worst team list that you perceive.

KI Skins Fan
09-29-2015, 03:15 PM
Again, PFF looks at each play and grades the player based on his ability and the decision he makes. It takes out the effect of the other players and focuses solely on what that specific player did in that specific opportunity.

Which makes their grades worthless when it comes to quarterbacks. I don't care how the stats came out for Rodgers in that game, analysts are supposed to be more than just input/output devices. Any so-called analyst who can give Rodgers a poor grade for his performance last night forgot to do a reality check. His performance was masterful. The analyst should have used his judgement to adjust his grade upwards or simply admitted that their system doesn't work well for QB's and declined to grade him. Here's my grade: HOF.

RedskinJake
09-29-2015, 03:51 PM
We have had QBs executed their duties with in the team construct to win 3 SBs. But in my opinion those were great teams not great QBs.

I played a little QB in school so I am biased towards the position but I will be the first to tell you that the QB position is not the end all, be all of a football team. Having Tom Brady on the Jaguars doesn't get them 14 wins and Trent Dilfer won the Superbowl with a good ravens team. It's a team game. It takes a strong 53 man roster to win games. Great QB's only matter if the team is average or above at every other position and average QB's perform well with the same average or above average teams. It's easy to give credit for a win or a loss to the QB but this is a team sport.

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