30gut
01-18-2016, 03:47 PM
You left the part out where I mentioned all of Kirk's INDIVIDUAL accomplishments that supported how much he improved INDIVIDUALLY.
How is Kirk not on any list for the most improved player?Did you every think that maybe Kirk graded out better then Blake last year? Therefore although Blake, still rated below Kirk btw, improved more from his rating last year to this year?
Would love for Mudd or whoever botched the grade on Trent so badly, to sit down and go through that game play by play with Cooley and explain why they graded him the way they did.The infallible Chris Cooley had a different grade for Trent in some game (btw what game are you even talking about? and what was the grade that has you in a fit?) therefore Chris must be right, right?
According to Pro Football Focus, the 2016 Pro Bowler was ranked as the sixth-best left tackle in the NFL, and the eighth-best overall. Williams allowed just 19 total quarterback pressures and two total sacks in his 14 games.
But again, because of some unnamed game and unnamed grade its garbage, lol.
The quote you cite from Gunther Cunningham actually addresses the same criticism of PFF on this thread. He says player grading is where they fall short and uses the service for stats.Lol, that is not what he said. (Did you even read the article?) He referenced specifically to grading exotic schemes defensive blitz scheme where assignments are unknown. And we're not talking about criticism because obviously they have several, any stat has weaknesses. The argument isn't over whether or not PFF has flaws, of course it does, the argument is over whether or not 'its garbage' or should be discounted out of hand.
The issue is how can they grade a player when they don't know the play or the players' responsibility. Umm, . In fairness, he does mention the grading of one player where he did agree with PFF.Lol, c'mon really? grading of one player?
Cunningham is speaking over the phone to The MMQB, but he sends a picture of his oversized computer screens, on which he’s using PFF’s play analysis tool to sort defensive plays based on the Cowboys’ offensive formations
Cunningham still records some of the same statistics on his own, including time to throw or defensive targets (mostly out of habit), but he and defensive quality control coach Matt Raich lean on Pro Football Focus to shave time off their research.
Before the Cowboys game, for instance, it took them less than 30 minutes to pull up all the shotgun plays Dallas had used during its previous five games. They were able to discern the personnel groups, in part, by looking at the play diagrams and corresponding video footage.“As soon as you get an idea what the team is doing, it helps with guys like Ndamukong Suh and Ezekiel Ansah, because you can say, when they’re in shotgun, pin your ears back and go get ’em,” Cunningham says. “It’s not guesswork.” If the Lions were playing New England, Cunningham adds, he could quickly sort the PFF database for all offensive plays with unbalanced lines to help prepare for the Patriots’ eligible/ineligible gambit.
They screwed Trent's grade up big timeYou keep saying this but where is your proof? Based on what? How did they screw up Trent's grade?
Again this is their overall on Trent:
According to Pro Football Focus, the 2016 Pro Bowler was ranked as the sixth-best left tackle in the NFL, and the eighth-best overall. Williams allowed just 19 total quarterback pressures and two total sacks in his 14 games.
1. who graded it,
2. the standard it was graded by,
3. the bias of the grader
4. how quickly the grade was churned out,
5. how many times the play was watched,
6. or the grader's knowledge of Trent's responsibility on a given play.The information on their process is out there, you just choose to plead ignorance to their process.
It's not shocking that a person in a position of talent evaluation would rely on an outside service for stats, I seriously doubt that any GM or coach relies on PFF for grading a game performance. It's just common sense, why would they rely on strangers who don't know what the responsibilities are?Who said they rely on PFF? No one.
How is Kirk not on any list for the most improved player?Did you every think that maybe Kirk graded out better then Blake last year? Therefore although Blake, still rated below Kirk btw, improved more from his rating last year to this year?
Would love for Mudd or whoever botched the grade on Trent so badly, to sit down and go through that game play by play with Cooley and explain why they graded him the way they did.The infallible Chris Cooley had a different grade for Trent in some game (btw what game are you even talking about? and what was the grade that has you in a fit?) therefore Chris must be right, right?
According to Pro Football Focus, the 2016 Pro Bowler was ranked as the sixth-best left tackle in the NFL, and the eighth-best overall. Williams allowed just 19 total quarterback pressures and two total sacks in his 14 games.
But again, because of some unnamed game and unnamed grade its garbage, lol.
The quote you cite from Gunther Cunningham actually addresses the same criticism of PFF on this thread. He says player grading is where they fall short and uses the service for stats.Lol, that is not what he said. (Did you even read the article?) He referenced specifically to grading exotic schemes defensive blitz scheme where assignments are unknown. And we're not talking about criticism because obviously they have several, any stat has weaknesses. The argument isn't over whether or not PFF has flaws, of course it does, the argument is over whether or not 'its garbage' or should be discounted out of hand.
The issue is how can they grade a player when they don't know the play or the players' responsibility. Umm, . In fairness, he does mention the grading of one player where he did agree with PFF.Lol, c'mon really? grading of one player?
Cunningham is speaking over the phone to The MMQB, but he sends a picture of his oversized computer screens, on which he’s using PFF’s play analysis tool to sort defensive plays based on the Cowboys’ offensive formations
Cunningham still records some of the same statistics on his own, including time to throw or defensive targets (mostly out of habit), but he and defensive quality control coach Matt Raich lean on Pro Football Focus to shave time off their research.
Before the Cowboys game, for instance, it took them less than 30 minutes to pull up all the shotgun plays Dallas had used during its previous five games. They were able to discern the personnel groups, in part, by looking at the play diagrams and corresponding video footage.“As soon as you get an idea what the team is doing, it helps with guys like Ndamukong Suh and Ezekiel Ansah, because you can say, when they’re in shotgun, pin your ears back and go get ’em,” Cunningham says. “It’s not guesswork.” If the Lions were playing New England, Cunningham adds, he could quickly sort the PFF database for all offensive plays with unbalanced lines to help prepare for the Patriots’ eligible/ineligible gambit.
They screwed Trent's grade up big timeYou keep saying this but where is your proof? Based on what? How did they screw up Trent's grade?
Again this is their overall on Trent:
According to Pro Football Focus, the 2016 Pro Bowler was ranked as the sixth-best left tackle in the NFL, and the eighth-best overall. Williams allowed just 19 total quarterback pressures and two total sacks in his 14 games.
1. who graded it,
2. the standard it was graded by,
3. the bias of the grader
4. how quickly the grade was churned out,
5. how many times the play was watched,
6. or the grader's knowledge of Trent's responsibility on a given play.The information on their process is out there, you just choose to plead ignorance to their process.
It's not shocking that a person in a position of talent evaluation would rely on an outside service for stats, I seriously doubt that any GM or coach relies on PFF for grading a game performance. It's just common sense, why would they rely on strangers who don't know what the responsibilities are?Who said they rely on PFF? No one.