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DYoungJelly 01-15-2016, 08:04 PM David Amerson tops PFF’s award list for Most Improved Player
Amerson was the Redskins’ second-round pick in 2013, and saw the field in every game during his rookie season. He struggled with consistency throughout the year, and finished with a relatively low coverage grade, which placed him 92nd out of 110 cornerbacks. Last season his coverage grade dropped even further, and he slid all the way down to 106th at his position. Amerson was released after Week 1 this season, and was subsequently picked up by the Raiders, where he’s been a completely different player ever since.
The former NC State standout posted a positive production grade in 2015, despite being targeted 104 times (sixth-most among NFL CBs). On those targets, he allowed just 58 completions and one touchdown. He tied for fifth overall with 13 passes defensed, and also picked off four passes. Last season, he allowed more completions (61) on fewer targets (91), and an NFL-high 10 touchdowns when targeted. Quarterbacks had a 140.2 rating when targeting Amerson in 2014; this season, that number has dropped to 62.7. His improvements have brought him up to an 83.4 overall grade, good for 15th out of all cornerbacks this season.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/01/13/pro-pffs-most-improved-players-in-2015/
Blake Bortles is on the list after leading the Jags to 5-11.
Where is Kirk Cousins?
All he did was go from benched to leading the league in completion %, setting franchise records, leading 4th quarter comebacks and taking a team with a 30+ preseason power ranking to the playoffs. All with one of the crappiest running games in the league.
PFF is garbage actually.
Chico23231 01-15-2016, 08:52 PM https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/01/13/pro-pffs-most-improved-players-in-2015/
Blake Bortles is on the list after leading the Jags to 5-11.
Where is Kirk Cousins?
All he did was go from benched to leading the league in completion %, setting franchise records, leading 4th quarter comebacks and taking a team with a 30+ preseason power ranking to the playoffs. All with one of the crappiest running games in the league.
PFF is garbage actually.
It's not garbage but it certainly doesn't tell the whole picture. I think it gives you an honest, technical piece where it puts the player in a box. It leaves out a lot of variables...and some intangibles. I got a subscription around thanksgiving...pretty cheap. a handful of teams that use profootball focus as a reference.
That Guy 01-15-2016, 09:49 PM which teams are paying them? and how much? are they giving one guy in the brown's scouting department a $1/year subscription just so they can say that an nfl team actually uses them? they can't say, cause "secrets" right? so it's an unverified fact reported on by the self-interested.
outsiders does a better job, and draftscout does an even better job (but they don't do advanced metrics, they mainly grade/rank college players).
Chico23231 01-15-2016, 10:47 PM which teams are paying them? and how much? are they giving one guy in the brown's scouting department a $1/year subscription just so they can say that an nfl team actually uses them? they can't say, cause "secrets" right? so it's an unverified fact reported on by the self-interested.
outsiders does a better job, and draftscout does an even better job (but they don't do advanced metrics, they mainly grade/rank college players).
Oh yeah outsiders is great, different than profootball focus, but they do a great job.
Bucket 01-16-2016, 01:04 AM It's not garbage but it certainly doesn't tell the whole picture. I think it gives you an honest, technical piece where it puts the player in a box. It leaves out a lot of variables...and some intangibles. I got a subscription around thanksgiving...pretty cheap. a handful of teams that use profootball focus as a reference.
PFF is garbage.
over the mountain 01-16-2016, 02:24 PM I CAN'T Believe that Dallas Startz guy never panned out......
i wanted mason crosby.
30gut 01-18-2016, 11:29 AM It's not garbage but it certainly doesn't tell the whole picture. I think it gives you an honest, technical piece where it puts the player in a box. It leaves out a lot of variables...and some intangibles. I got a subscription around thanksgiving...pretty cheap. a handful of teams that use profootball focus as a reference.I used to love PFF. Prior to this year if you paid for the premium account all their content was available and it was awesome. They are the closet thing you can get to team grades and they had other 'signature stats' like: tackling efficiency, pass rush productivity, QB in focus, SS/FS splits then game situation stats that detailed tendencies based on formations/personnel. They've gone 'big time' now and save their more meaningful data for NFL/NCAA only. Many former subscribers didn't re-up this year and PFF received an influx of e-mail form their previous subscribers decrying their new format. If you like their content now its nothing compared to what it used to be.
It seems like several people in this thread wear their ignorance of PFF as a badge of honor and I've never understood that (in regards to anything really).
30gut 01-18-2016, 11:37 AM Blake Bortles is on the list after leading the Jags to 5-11.
Where is Kirk Cousins?They aren't grading team performance they are grading individual performance.
This post seems like you are saying because Kirk wasn't on their most improved list therefore they're garbage?
Okay.
30gut 01-18-2016, 12:00 PM which teams are paying them? and how much? are they giving one guy in the brown's scouting department a $1/year subscription just so they can say that an nfl team actually uses them? they can't say, cause "secrets" right? so it's an unverified fact reported on by the self-interested.I don't know which teams use them nor how much it costs them. But I have no reason to doubt their claim that 19 NFL teams use their service. If that were a false claim I'm sure they would be held accountable. Also, I'm pretty sure they would gladly list which NFL teams use them but I would guess it more a matter of non-disclosure/confidentially then 'cuz secrets'. But again, to each their own.
Here's is a Gunther Cunningham anyhow...
.....Cunningham still records some of the same statistics on his own, including time to throw or defensive targets (mostly out of habit), but he and defensive quality control coach Matt Raich lean on Pro Football Focus to shave time off their research. Before the Cowboys game, for instance, it took them less than 30 minutes to pull up all the shotgun plays Dallas had used during its previous five games. They were able to discern the personnel groups, in part, by looking at the play diagrams and corresponding video footage. “As soon as you get an idea what the team is doing, it helps with guys like Ndamukong Suh and Ezekiel Ansah, because you can say, when they’re in shotgun, pin your ears back and go get ’em,” Cunningham says. “It’s not guesswork.” If the Lions were playing New England, Cunningham adds, he could quickly sort the PFF database for all offensive plays with unbalanced lines to help prepare for the Patriots’ eligible/ineligible gambit......
....Cunningham agrees with some of Zimmer’s criticism. Even after spending five seasons as the Lions’ defensive coordinator, Cunningham found it initially difficult to wrap his head around what everyone is supposed to be doing in Teryl Austin’s new system. So PFF analysts grading players without knowing the defensive call is one area, he says, “where they are a little bit short.” But Cunningham has also seen the reverse: coaches grading favorite players more easily, or giving themselves too much credit for placing a player in the correct position when he makes a play. When one Lions player raised a stink about how Pro Football Focus graded him this season, Cunningham checked the PFF grades against his own analysis. “I wanted so much to tell him,” Cunningham says, “that they were right on the money.”
outsiders does a better job, and draftscout does an even better job (but they don't do advanced metrics, they mainly grade/rank college players).I like Football Outsiders and nfldraftscout/cbs too but they offer different services then PFF.
DYoungJelly 01-18-2016, 02:56 PM They aren't grading team performance they are grading individual performance.
This post seems like you are saying because Kirk wasn't on their most improved list therefore they're garbage?
Okay.
You left the part out where I mentioned all of Kirk's INDIVIDUAL accomplishments that supported how much he improved INDIVIDUALLY.
How is Kirk not on any list for the most improved player?
Blake Bortles still sucks donkey balls:
FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | QUARTERBACKS 2015 (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb)
It was just one example of why PFF is garbage.
Would love for Mudd or whoever botched the grade on Trent so badly, to sit down and go through that game play by play with Cooley and explain why they graded him the way they did.
The quote you cite from Gunther Cunningham actually addresses the same criticism of PFF on this thread. He says player grading is where they fall short and uses the service for stats.
The issue is how can they grade a player when they don't know the play or the players' responsibility. Umm, . In fairness, he does mention the grading of one player where he did agree with PFF.
They screwed Trent's grade up big time and nobody knows if it's an anomaly or a crappy product because nobody knows:
1. who graded it,
2. the standard it was graded by,
3. the bias of the grader
4. how quickly the grade was churned out,
5. how many times the play was watched,
6. or the grader's knowledge of Trent's responsibility on a given play.
It's not shocking that a person in a position of talent evaluation would rely on an outside service for stats, I seriously doubt that any GM or coach relies on PFF for grading a game performance. It's just common sense, why would they rely on strangers who don't know what the responsibilities are?
Do these other 19 nfl teams use PFF for grades or, like Cunningham, for stats?
No way they use their grades, just want to see your response.
I hope Blake Bortles gets some money out of this sham.
EDIT:
Please let me clarify. PFF's player grades are garbage. I honestly have no idea about their stats.
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