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30gut 01-15-2016, 07:55 AM PFF is garbage.
Lol, likely response.
Don't agree with a metric or analysis? It must be garbage right?
Anyhow in a round about way PFF is kinda garbage now since their best content is available exclusively to NFL/NCAA professional organizations.
I guess the NFL doesn't know their metrics are garbage.
Anyhow letting Amerson go was a mistake based on his on the field performance. Of course it will be assumed that there was more to letting him go and it wasn't a mistake at the time...fans generally want to believe every move their organization makes is correct.
But based on how Amerson played we could have used him.
That Guy 01-15-2016, 07:56 AM also you need to compare systems. if you play in seattle you only play cover 2/3, so a good man corner like revis would basically be wasted there. from what i recall amerson was more of a zone guy, but walt harris also had a career year after leaving. d hall played much better for us after the raider cut him too, so it happens.
you can't assume someone's success elsewhere would translate here 1 for 1.
as yeah, because of injuries we could have used him. if culliver and breeland both play 16 games, he would have been on the bench most of the year.
DYoungJelly 01-15-2016, 09:29 AM Lol, likely response.
Don't agree with a metric or analysis? It must be garbage right?
Anyhow in a round about way PFF is kinda garbage now since their best content is available exclusively to NFL/NCAA professional organizations.
I guess the NFL doesn't know their metrics are garbage.
Anyhow letting Amerson go was a mistake based on his on the field performance. Of course it will be assumed that there was more to letting him go and it wasn't a mistake at the time...fans generally want to believe every move their organization makes is correct.
But based on how Amerson played we could have used him.
It's garbage because PFF doesn't put the time or game understanding into their analysis to give a grade that actually reflects game performance.
PFF is a bunch of guys who have every nfl player graded the day after a game and who don't know the plays called or the responsibilities of the players they're grading.
The mere fact alone that their grades are ready so quickly after the games tells me they don't put much time into their evaluation.
The perfect example to illustrate why PFF is garbage is from earlier this year when PFF gave Trent Williams a negative grade for the same game that Cooley said was the perfect example of what a left tackle should be.
Cooley went on raving about Trent from that game. He said high school and college coaches should show their players game film of Trent from the game as to how you dominate and make it look easy.
Any rating service that blows a grade of an entire game, with 40+ snaps is garbage and cannot be trusted.
Anytime there is a subjective grade, the individual grading is the single most important factor, that's why PFF isn't a metric at all.
Relying on PFF for analysis, is relying on some anonymous guy with supposed football acumen to tell you what happened in a game.
Could you get the same analysis on Reddit for free? Nobody knows, because we don't know who the analyst is.
Schneed10 01-15-2016, 09:48 AM Lol, likely response.
Don't agree with a metric or analysis? It must be garbage right?
Anyhow in a round about way PFF is kinda garbage now since their best content is available exclusively to NFL/NCAA professional organizations.
I guess the NFL doesn't know their metrics are garbage.
Anyhow letting Amerson go was a mistake based on his on the field performance. Of course it will be assumed that there was more to letting him go and it wasn't a mistake at the time...fans generally want to believe every move their organization makes is correct.
But based on how Amerson played we could have used him.
First, you can only make moves based on how a guy is playing for you. When Amerson was waived not a single one of us complained because he was playing like crap. To see him turn it around in Oakland is a complete surprise, but all we had to go on was that he was playing like crap for us, and we can't change an entire defensive system for one player.
Second, who has two thumbs and doesn't give a shit about how David Amerson is playing?
mooby 01-15-2016, 09:53 AM Lol, likely response.
Don't agree with a metric or analysis? It must be garbage right?
Anyhow in a round about way PFF is kinda garbage now since their best content is available exclusively to NFL/NCAA professional organizations.
I guess the NFL doesn't know their metrics are garbage.
Anyhow letting Amerson go was a mistake based on his on the field performance. Of course it will be assumed that there was more to letting him go and it wasn't a mistake at the time...fans generally want to believe every move their organization makes is correct.
But based on how Amerson played we could have used him.
Did you ignore the part where they said Amerson had one of the worst seasons in 2014? Let me refresh your memory:
"Last season, he allowed more completions (61) on fewer targets (91), and an NFL-high 10 touchdowns when targeted. Quarterbacks had a 140.2 rating when targeting Amerson in 2014"
When you combine that with the fact the coaches have access to how hard he worked in practice, how he looked on film in preseason and 2 games in the regular season, it's easy to conclude why they released him. They didn't feel he was worthy of a roster spot. It's very easy to sit back after the fact and say it was a bad decision, but it was the right decision at the time. Maybe the reason he's turned it around was because the change of scenery did him good. Maybe he realized getting cut 3 weeks into a season is not a good sign for his career.
mooby 01-15-2016, 09:55 AM First, you can only make moves based on how a guy is playing for you. When Amerson was waived not a single one of us complained because he was playing like crap. To see him turn it around in Oakland is a complete surprise, but all we had to go on was that he was playing like crap for us, and we can't change an entire defensive system for one player.
Second, who has two thumbs and doesn't give a shit about how David Amerson is playing?
Truth. Who cares about ex-Redskins? They have absolutely no bearing on how good this team is.
30gut 01-15-2016, 10:00 AM Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
From what you wrote above it seems like you only have a very cursory and uninformed understanding of what PFF does. This might help, although your mind is probably already made up...
https://www.profootballfocus.com/about/how-we-grade/
How We Grade
Our approach to rating is thorough, one of a kind, and goes beyond the surface of the game.
Step 1
We grade. An analyst grades every single player and every single play on a scale of -2 to +2.
Step 2
We grade again. The initial grading is reviewed by a second analyst to ensure accuracy.
Step 3
We grade a third time. The second analyst’s grading is checked by a third analyst. You can never be too careful.
Step 4
We verify. Our grades are verified by the Pro Coach Network and their 400 years of combined NFL and college coaching experience.
Step 5
Advanced Normalization: The raw grades (as seen in our Premium Stats) are normalized to better account for the situation; this ranges from where the player lined up to the drop-back depth of the quarterback, to everything in between.
Step 6
We set the grade. Convert to 1-100 scale.
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Suffice it to say that the many NFL teams that pay for their service disagree with you.
Just because Cooley (who isn't infallible either) disagrees with 1 grade from 1 game (on a player who PFF grades as one of the best LT in the league) doesn't seem like a good reason to me to consider them garbage. Maybe Cooley should call up Howard Mudd (heard of him?) who works for PFF.
Anyhow....any comment about David? Or does he still sux because PFF is garbage?
30gut 01-15-2016, 10:08 AM First, you can only make moves based on how a guy is playing for you. When Amerson was waived not a single one of us complained because he was playing like crap. To see him turn it around in Oakland is a complete surprise, but all we had to go on was that he was playing like crap for us, and we can't change an entire defensive system for one player.True, but Amerson won't be the first nor the last player to have a sophomore slump or a bad season. The question becomes whether or not the talent/ability suggest they might be able to come out of that slump and whether its worth it to give them the chance.
And since you mention it, I didn't think Amerson should have been cut.
Second, who has two thumbs and doesn't give a shit about how David Amerson is playing?Very paradoxical.
over the mountain 01-15-2016, 10:47 AM PFF is a good reference to be considered and weighed by any fan-atic. i dont like how every time i go on there, i cant find what i am looking for and seems like you to have to pay to see anythign worthwhile.
It does have known acknowledged faults.
1. it grades per play but if the graders dont know the play call, how can you really judge a play. what grade does each O line player get when leribeus was snapping the ball early and no one was ready? does trent get a -2 for that sack where he didnt move bc leribeus screwed up?
2. arbitrary. "So if a 0.5 was given for a good short pass, what exactly is a good short pass? The two touchdowns thrown by Aaron Rodgers to Randall Cobb for touchdowns Monday night vs the Chiefs should constitute as good short passes and maybe more because of the congestion that generally occurs in the red zone. Apparently not though, because PFF graded them out as non impact throws because they were simple speed outs that the QB was “expected to make.” The issue that I have with this is that if this is so easy, then why can’t so many other QBs score as consistently, and with as much ease, as Rodgers does in the red zone? Rodgers should absolutely deserve some credit for recognizing the situation, making pre-snap adjustments, and flinging it to Cobb in 0.3 seconds. Also, is PFF really trying to tell me that over 400 years of NFL and college coaching experience (see Step 4 above) can’t tell you that Aaron Rodgers had a phenomenal game yesterday?"
The Issues That Surround Pro Football Focus - Paradime Time Sports (http://paradimetime.com/the-issues-that-surround-pro-football-focus/)
3. rushed work. cooley brought this point up. how can they possibly effectively grade every player every play and have the grades out by monday or tuesday? cooley thinks they are rushing it.
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bottom line imo - its not perfect but the guys at PFF are trying to enact objective grades for a subjective subject matter and i tip my hat to them. each person can give PFF grades what ever weight they want.
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amerson - i think his attitude and personality was the opposite of what SM wants in his locker room. i always found amerson to be wanna-be male model celebrity first, football player second. amerson was suspended last year for being late or missing a practice. i read an article about amerson a few months ago where he admitted he wasnt taking things as serious as he should and being waived really woke him up.
amerson is soft. it sent a message to players in the locker room that its more than where you were drafted. i think some of the more die hard players probably liked the message.
eat-sleep-breathe-shit football 24/7/365 .. or go play for somebody like the raiders.
over the mountain 01-15-2016, 10:57 AM where can i find "sacks allowed" stat?
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