Cousins to start 2015 Season


Skinsfanatic
09-03-2015, 03:13 PM
I'd take those numbers from a guy about to start only his tenth game, especially if we see improvement as the season goes on. They look similar to Andrew Luck's rookie season, and I hear he's pretty good.

4,374 yards 54.1% 23TDs 18TDs

I agree I would take those numbers (especially depending on what the running game produces), I just wanted to put out an alternative/more accurate picture of what this year might look like.

calia
09-03-2015, 03:16 PM
Cousins needs a chance -- and not just a handful of games -- to show whether he can be a franchise QB, and only time will tell. Here's a look at stats for some other noteworthy QBs their first season starting, and then compared to what Cousins did last season:

Payton Manning (1998): 26 TD, 28 INT, 3739 YRD
Drew Brees (2002): 17 TD, 16 INT, 3284 YRD
Andrew Luck (2012): 23 TD, 18 INT, 4374 YRD
Tom Brady (2001): 18 TD, 12 INT, 2843 YRD

Kirk Cousins (2014, 6 starts*): 10 TD, 9 INT, 1710 YRD
* given how early he entered the JAX game, I have assumed that a start
Kirk Cousins (if adjusted same #s for 16 games): 26.7 TD, 24 INT, 4560 YRD

More TDs than any of the above QBs, although also more INTs than everyone except Payton Manning. And more yards than everyone too.

To be clear, I am not saying Kirk will be on par with any of these folks -- who the heck knows if that is possible? Again, only time will tell. But one cannot look at the numbers and conclude he's just a stop gap to a real franchise QB either. Let's not forget, Brady and Luck (at least) had better starting casts around them than Cousins had here last year too.

Let's give the guy a chance -- even with the inevitable growing pains. What do we have to lose at this point?

30gut
09-03-2015, 03:32 PM
Cousins needs a chance -- and not just a handful of games -- to show whether he can be a franchise QB, and only time will tell.....
Let's give the guy a chance -- even with the inevitable growing pains. What do we have to lose at this point?Whether Kirk 'needs' a chance is up for debate.

And just for the sake of accuracy this upcoming chance is Kirk's 3rd. The 1st was with Mike Shanahan in 2013. The 2nd was last year when Griffin was hurt.

calia
09-03-2015, 03:37 PM
Whether Kirk 'needs' a chance is up for debate.

And just for the sake of accuracy this upcoming chance is Kirk's 3rd. The 1st was with Mike Shanahan in 2013. The 2nd was last year when Griffin was hurt.

He had very little playing time in his first three years, as I am sure you'd agree. I also didn't count the initial seasons of Brees or Brady in the statistics above for the same reason.

With all due respect, for the sake of accuracy, 2012 was Cousin's 1st year, not 2013. I don't think you can count the 2013 season as a "chance" any more than 2012, since Shanahan's decision was purportedly done to protect Griffin in a lost season rather than seeing what he had in Kirk.

Again I focused on last season as the first in which there was an extended look (even though that only amounted to about 1/3 of the season).

And if you don't think Kirk needs a chance this season, what exactly do you have in mind for the QB position?

kct1975
09-03-2015, 03:39 PM
ROFL. A little side tracked on this....but since Dianna Russini dropped the RG3 story, I found this fitting. Scott's wife dropping the bomb on her.


:laughing2


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CN6qz0qUkAAKaha.jpg

Since the original tweet thread was eliminated, I had to Google it, but all I can say is WOW. [emoji33]

The 'dog-and-pony' show Crap surrounding the Redskins. [emoji13]

JWsleep
09-03-2015, 05:25 PM
Since the original tweet thread was eliminated, I had to Google it, but all I can say is WOW. [emoji33]

The 'dog-and-pony' show Crap surrounding the Redskins. [emoji13]

I just had to laugh. One, I like the spirit here. Two, normal people obviously go somewhat insane when they get anywhere near the skins.

Schneed10
09-03-2015, 05:29 PM
For fairness reasons, if you are going to extrapolate, you need to take out the best statistical game as well as the worst (the Eagles game), which leaves you with a season of:

4104 yards, 62.675% completion, 24 touchdowns, 20 interceptions.

This looks more like Kirk Cousins to me.

I don't know though, the Eagles run that fast paced offense, you can expect Cousins to get plenty of possessions in those games.

Skinsfanatic
09-03-2015, 06:20 PM
I don't know though, the Eagles run that fast paced offense, you can expect Cousins to get plenty of possessions in those games.

The point was more that if you are going to ignore the worst performance and then use the stats to predict over 16 games, you need to ignore the best performance too. Even if you can expect that kind of performance against the Eagles, that very idea shows that you wouldn't expect that performance over a season because no one else plays with that pace. Therefore, the Eagles game would be an outlier and not as useful as a predictive tool.

Schneed10
09-03-2015, 11:18 PM
The point was more that if you are going to ignore the worst performance and then use the stats to predict over 16 games, you need to ignore the best performance too. Even if you can expect that kind of performance against the Eagles, that very idea shows that you wouldn't expect that performance over a season because no one else plays with that pace. Therefore, the Eagles game would be an outlier and not as useful as a predictive tool.

You don't predict that we will play the Eagles twice this season? Your brain is broken.

Skinsfanatic
09-03-2015, 11:55 PM
You don't predict that we will play the Eagles twice this season? Your brain is broken.

Twice, sure. Three times, not likely. And since you are using that game as one fifth of the games you are basing your 16 game prediction on.....

And why not count the giants game in your prediction? Won't we play them twice?

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