DYoungJelly
09-01-2015, 09:36 PM
That's fine, but now it's time to show results or he will get canned. It's the bottom line, really.
He has to win with a guy that generated zero trade interest last off season or a perennial back up or he will get canned.
I read what you wrote.
There are only a dozen articles basically saying the QB of the future isn't on the roster right now.
You're setting an unreasonable standard for the guys we have at QB by expecting immediate success.
Click over to the win/loss poll.
What's bad is we don't have a good option at QB this year.
It's a silly ultimatum.
What is your W/L numbers that would be "results"?
We basically have Kirk and Colt because nobody else wanted them this spring.
htownskinfan
09-01-2015, 09:39 PM
Fuck Mike Shanahan for leaving RGIII on the field against the Seahawks, he should have been benched after Ngata hit him in the Baltimore game.
Right on brother
htownskinfan
09-01-2015, 09:41 PM
The cousins era has begun.
Mike Shanahan. Loves cousins. "Kirk Cousins is a franchise QB he will be a top 10 QB in this league no doubt about it"
I like Kirk but fuck Shanahan and whatever he says, if he's a franchise quarterback then why didn't he start him?
DYoungJelly
09-01-2015, 09:53 PM
Cooley's film breakdown of the offense from Baltimore:
ESPN 980 Audio Vault - Play Now (http://stationcaster.com/player_skinned.php?s=65&c=13491&f=4785303)
Cooley theorized the Raven's had a game plan to kill RG3. He said they blitzed like crazy. Every play in the 2 min drill.
It's a really good listen.
SolidSnake84
09-01-2015, 09:53 PM
He has to win with a guy that generated zero trade interest last off season or a perennial back up or he will get canned.
I read what you wrote.
There are only a dozen articles basically saying the QB of the future isn't on the roster right now.
You're setting an unreasonable standard for the guys we have at QB by expecting immediate success.
Click over to the win/loss poll.
What's bad is we don't have a good option at QB this year.
It's a silly ultimatum.
What is your W/L numbers that would be "results"?
We basically have Kirk and Colt because nobody else wanted them this spring.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there interest in Kirk, but just not at what the Redskins were wanting for him? Weren't they wanting something like a 2nd and a 4th round pick? I could be wrong i just seem to remember people wanting to get Kirk but not at what the Redskins were asking...
kingj
09-01-2015, 09:55 PM
He has to win with a guy that generated zero trade interest last off season or a perennial back up or he will get canned.
I read what you wrote.
There are only a dozen articles basically saying the QB of the future isn't on the roster right now.
You're setting an unreasonable standard for the guys we have at QB by expecting immediate success.
Click over to the win/loss poll.
What's bad is we don't have a good option at QB this year.
It's a silly ultimatum.
What is your W/L numbers that would be "results"?
We basically have Kirk and Colt because nobody else wanted them this spring.
Ok so bottom line you don't feel Gruden is on the hot seat regardless of performance?
If he doesn't get to 7 wins after all the talk he's done himself, then yeah I believe he's gone. I'm not pro-Griffin in case you are reading it that way.
I simply see both Griffin and Gruden not with the organization at start of 2016 season. It's not like Gruden is blameless in this circus. He has made his share of mistakes and this is his 2nd chance with his preferred qb just like last year was Griffin's 2nd chance until injuries, performance and his refusal to run R/O (whether accurate or not) did him in.
WillH
09-01-2015, 09:56 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there interest in Kirk, but just not at what the Redskins were wanting for him? Weren't they wanting something like a 2nd and a 4th round pick? I could be wrong i just seem to remember people wanting to get Kirk but not at what the Redskins were asking...
I don't think anything better than a 4th was ever offered for him
I'm 100% on board with shanny and Gruden belief that RGIII is not a pocket passer. IMO that part is clearly obvious.
there were 2 options for Gruden: develop RG3/run read option or go with traditional pocket passer type (cousins).
So
He made his choice. London was right that Gruden was brought in to develop Griffin. Much was written about this at the time. He decided that he couldn't do it and needed a pocket passer for HIS system.
That's fine, but now it's time to show results or he will get canned. It's the bottom line, really.
Shanny took shots at Gruden for not adapting and working towards robert's strength, R/O. That's fine if he refused but now it's down to he better succeed with cousins/McCoy this year or he's out.
Robert and his father basically refused to be a "running" QB.
AND JG has a $25m fully guaranteed gig for 5 years.....we'll see
BUT, I have no problem with SM kicking' his ass to the curb if he cannot get it done.
WillH
09-01-2015, 10:07 PM
Ok so bottom line you don't feel Gruden is on the hot seat regardless of performance?
If he doesn't get to 7 wins after all the talk he's done himself, then yeah I believe he's gone. I'm not pro-Griffin in case you are reading it that way.
I simply see both Griffin and Gruden not with the organization at start of 2016 season. It's not like Gruden is blameless in this circus. He has made his share of mistakes and this is his 2nd chance with his preferred qb just like last year was Griffin's 2nd chance until injuries, performance and his refusal to run R/O (whether accurate or not) did him in.
Yeah, I have to disagree. This team was a train wreck when he got here. The Offensive line is still in development and lack any talented depth, and our secondary is a joke. Scot came in and said it would take several years of drafting and tweaking the roster before this team would be a serious competitor. There is just a serious talent vacuum on this team, and you think Gruden should be let go after 2 seasons with serious issues at QB and a general lack of talent and depth? Why, because the QB he inherited was injury prone, wouldn't run read option, and wouldn't/couldn't learn to be a pocket passer? You either need to explain what we're missing or accept that we think this is a ridiculous assertion.
WillH
09-01-2015, 10:10 PM
Oh Yay I'm a starter now, I just noticed. It only took 9 years of riding the pine.