Zone blocking

Sorry Schneed, my mistake!

It's the old chicken or the egg debate...

Some people think we didn't go downfield last year simply because Gibbs choose not to. Personally I find that a little hard to believe and I think there are a multitude of reasons behind the scenes that aren't always very obvious.

In Gibbs first go round, he was always a deep strike guy. Rypien used to throw bombs all over the place. So why would he all of a sudden pull in the reins and shorten the field? Could it have been due to some other circumstances like a shaky OL and Gibbs' adjustment period to today's attacking-style NFL defenses?

How about a new system and the adjustment period that goes along with that, especially for the QBs. How about our WRs? Gardner isn't a serious deep threat, and Coles toe has obviously effected his game. We can argue all we want whether the WRs have been upgraded, but if you're talking about pure speed, then yes we did upgrade with Moss and Patten.

I won't deny Gibbs himself was also to blame, but at the same time there isn't another coach I trust more to fix this offense. Gibbs will get it done, if he doesn't it won't be for a lack of effort... and that's a lot more than we can say about you know who.

A-friggin-men. Well said, Matty.

Daseal, I flat out disagree with your assessment of our WRs. Gardner would make a decent situational #3 (as long as the situation wasn't one where a crucial first-down catch was necessary). He's NOT a good #2. You can't look at his stats for the whole picture, his stats line does not show DROPS. He is not dependable enough, too inconsistent.

Coles is good, but he's not the deep threat we need with a bum toe, he can't get downfield.

If you're asking for deep threats in a passing game, I can't see how you'd be displeased with our current WRs.

But you and I have argued all these points before, it gets us nowhere. Basically your whole argument boils down to: last year Gibbs had the WRs to get it done, he just didn't call the right plays. Now this year, he doesn't have the WRs to get it done in the deep passing game. Basically, everything the guy does you think is retarded. And then on the other hand, you're saying you think he'll be successful in three years. I don't get it.

If you were old enough to watch the old Gibbs teams in the eighties and early nineties, I think most would agree its kind of tough to "forget about it". I don't want to forget. Those were the pinnacle years for the Redskins! There's nothing wrong with learning from mistakes (aka Gibbs 2004 season) and moving forward. We have confidence in Joe because he's done it before and we see no reason he can do it again. In our "internet, give-it-to-me-now" generation, development has become a analogy for failure. I just can't forget Super Bowl 17, 4th and 1, Riggins ripping down the sideline, faster than ANYONE thought. It hadn't worked the whole game but we stuck with it. Today, we would have given up that play.
We're all cocks and we should all go get laid!

If he makes the progression everyone here says he'll make I'll be the first in line to congratulate him on a job well done. However it will be October/November before we can really pans out.

If he makes the progression everyone here says he'll make I'll be the first in line to congratulate him on a job well done. However it will be October/November before we can really pans out.

Sorry, but there might not be any room on the bandwagon at that point.

I swear that sometimes it sounds like we have some undercover cowboy fans on this site. Daseal, your constant pessimisim is mind numbing. Please try to understand that Gibbs sees more and understands more about the Redskins and football than anyone on this site. He cant be treated like a first year coach because he is a three time superbowl winner. He won constantly over a decade. He won because he was willing to change his system as times changed and because he put in the hours to do a good job. You act like instead of him having a ton of job experience, he is an Alzheimer's patient.

Did you ever watch his third superbowl win? If so, please comment on that passing attack.

Anyone else feel like a little piece of their childhood is taken from them every time Daseal posts? I mean, a lot of us became fans of the Redskins in the 1980s and that was primarily because of Gibbs. Without Gibbs would this site even be where it is today? Daseal has decided, for whatever reason, that since he was not part of the first Gibbs era he can't respect it. And it can't carry over into this phase of his coaching career. And that's fine if Daseal feels that way, but I just don't see how you can ignore what Gibbs has accomplished. If not for Spurrier's success in the USFL and NCAA he wouldn't have sniffed the NFL sidelines. The past is prologue as they say (is that right?) If the Gamecocks go 3-8 next year, is it ok then for us to say "Spurrier might have been a good college coach back in the mid-90s but it's 2005 now. What has he done for us lately?" Sounds kind of silly doesn't it?

As GoSkins put it so well "He won because he was willing to change his system as times changed and because he put in the hours to do a good job." The whole key to that is "put in the hours" This isn't an overnight transformation, this a year, two year, maybe even three year process. And we'll have a healthy Jansen, a new Center, new receivers, a QB with several games under Gibbs offensive philosophy, a new OC, among other things this season. And we've improved our special teams. Don't underestimate the value of field position. Yet there are those who are already determined to write off the season and Gibbs 2.0. Why? There are those that say give him three years, yet in the same sentence basically say "then in three years I'll say I told you so, that Gibbs couldn't get it done"

Yeah the offense does need to be tweaked, and it does need some more variety. But also keep in mind, we had an injured WR as our no. 1 receiver, we had a young QB learning a new system, we were missing our RT, and were forced to play a 42-year old guard at tackle. And we had a stellar defense. Why wouldn't you play the game relatively close to the vest offensively and put the game primarily in your defense's hands? It's one thing to open up the offense, but it's another thing to put your ego above the good of the team, and just let the ball fly all day with 5 receiver sets.

Like Redskins_P said, all he was trying to do was start a thread about changes in the offensive philosophy, and yet the Warpath Grim Reaper (Daseal I'm looking in your direction) has to go again and essentially mock another member for actually having some faith in the team.

Sorry for the incoherent venting, but I know I can't be the only one who is tired of the constant negativity.

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great post TAFKAS....

I am just sick of hearing that he hasn't proven anything to daseal...
He's proven plenty to me and to many others on this board and that is all that matters.

I think I can understand where DaSeal is coming from.
After being disappointed by a HOF coach last year and a HOF-to-be(Marty) and a College HOF coach(Spurrier) and a Useless coach(Norv) for 13 years or so, it is hard to think optimistically when our offseason has not been good and we havent upgraded our O-line or DT's and DE's. We have new schemes on offense! Hooray! But we have the same 2nd and 3rd string personnel that messed up everything last year and we have to pray that they learned something and are not getting killed in practice by their own teammates. ST may sit out the year, moping, for all I know. I dont know his situation and he wont grow up, be honest and tell us. Heck, he wont even tell his own coach what is going on. So, tell me, what reason for great optimism is there. I see this as a five year plan in Gibbs' mind. He wil draft DT and DE next year and trade for O-line help next year too. Ramsey will suffer while the line in front of him comes together and the WR's get used to the system. Campbell will take over in '06 or '07 and lead us to the playoffs and look like a saint. Ramsey will end up in Frisco or some other place needing a good back up. Write off this season though. 8-8, 7-9, 6-10 here we come!

What upgrade did we need at DT? Griffin, Salavea and Noble did more than a good job. They did great in fact. And what do you mean we didn't improve the O-line? Rabach, healthy Jansen, another year of experience for Dockery, Wilson, and Molinaro. Really, I don't get why you keep ripping on the O-line. If anybody understands why, please let me know

It's May and already we have people writing off the season, amazing