Sean Taylor - What if...

If he goes out and performs as the best player on the defense for the next 4 years, while missing voluntary practices, then I would still want to pay top dollar to resign him. But I wouldn't give him more than the 2nd best player on the defense (for the sake of argument, Lavar Arrington), as long as that defensive player is going the extra mile and working even when he's not required. If that means Sean Taylor leaves for a better deal elsewhere, so be it.

On our team, extra work should be rewarded. That fosters the right kind of team attitude and encourages leadership.

All of this talk is showing that money and talent aren't the only things important in sports today. Psychology has more to do with it then we would think.

Gibbs wasn't to clear on what he meant regarding Taylor's situation. What Gibbs was trying to say is that the front office acknowledges the fact that Taylor's current contract is a little on the light side in comparison to the other top draft picks taken before and after him. They will review the terms of the contract as the offseason allows. In the time being, Taylor is still under contract and therefore expected to be with the team. :oink:

Apples and Oranges...you are comparing Me-Shawn Johnson, who yelled and physically threatened his head coach (on National TV) (on the sideline during a game) to Sean Taylor, who missed a few VOLUNTARY work outs, a BS rookie meeting, and wants a new contract? Not even close.

No, I'm not comparing them at all. I'm simply using the Keyshawn situation as an example of a coach being tough on a player that needs an attitude check. I never said that what ST has done (or failed to do) is the same or even as bad. I'm simply saying that I admire coaches who get tough with players and show them that they need the team more than the team needs them. ST has shown nothing but disdain and a complete lack of respect for the coaching staff. He hasn't even so much as picked up the phone to call his coach back. I'm sorry, but that's immature, disrespectful, and flat-out assinine. Is he as bad as Keyshawn? No. But I, for one, don't think that Gruden's actions should be limited to players who disrespect their coaches publicly. How many of us on this board could act in such a way to our bosses and still have a job tomorrow? Seriously, how many? And these guys are supposed to be professionals? I'm sorry, but some standard of conduct has to accompany the millions of dollars poor underpaid Sean Taylor is getting.

And I don't buy this "voluntary" argument. That's BS. EVERY OTHER teammate who can be there is there right now. If it's so "voluntary", then why doesn't the whole rest of the team have a problem showing up? Come on, he's looking like a punk right now, plain and simple. He's got absolutely NO REASON to not be there with the team. NONE.

If you keep playing hard ball with players and letting them go you create roster turnover which is not good. Just face it having Taylor on the field gives our defense an advantage most teams dont have. I would like to see good faith from the front office and atleast start talking with him on a deal and Ramsey too. Core Redskin Smoot left for a better deal; another team felt he was more valuable We used a number 9 pick to replace him that shows his value. We could have kept him and used number 9 for something else and we would have been made better by that number 9 pick instead of running in place and replacing what we already had. just face it core Redskin talk is nonsense those players work for the NFL as a whole, not any one team and thats reality nowadays and thats the problem.

It is a very bad mistake to give any player the false impression that any form of behavior is acceptable as long as he turns in a good performance on the field. I am not one who condones pre-madonas, and feel that performance on and off the field are of equal value.

It is a very bad mistake to give any player the false impression that any form of behavior is acceptable as long as he turns in a good performance on the field. I am not one who condones pre-madonas, and feel that performance on and off the field are of equal value.

Thank God. I was starting to feel all alone here.:biggthump

You're not alone. I also believe that character is more important than performance. If football were an individual sport, it wouldn't be that big of an issue, but you cannot discount how important a good team dynamic is to winning football games. I'd prefer to have someone that wasn't quite as productive individually, but that greatly enhanced the overall team dynamic because of their character. Taylor is showing disrespect to his coach and to his teamates. That sort of selfishness is anathema to a good team dynamic, and should not be tolerated lightly. I'd reserve judgement on benching him until I heard his side of the story and saw his interaction with teamates once he shows up, but I see no reason to believe that what gives every appearance of immaturity and selfishness is going to change overnight. I really hope that Sean turns things around, but if I were Gibbs, I wouldn't be going out of my way to resign Taylor or improve his current contract based on what I've seen so far.

--Phin

It is a very bad mistake to give any player the false impression that any form of behavior is acceptable as long as he turns in a good performance on the field. I am not one who condones pre-madonas, and feel that performance on and off the field are of equal value.

I agree with this, to a point. The whole point of this thread was to determine whether you would BENCH Sean Taylor for missing these VOLUNTARY workouts.

I agree that you can't send the message that all behavior is acceptable as long as you perform well in games. But the question at hand is: exactly how bad has Sean Taylor's behavior been so far?

I say not that bad at all. He has not missed anything mandatory. He has not taken any shots at his QB or coaches, a la TO. All reports suggest he is working his ass off on his own. As long as he comes to mini-camp and training camp in shape, and he works hard there to improve himself, then benching him would be a MAJOR overreaction. It would just be plain stupid.

Now, in contract negotiations, that's where you send the message in my opinion. That's where you sit down and say, "hey, we here at the Washington Redskins reward people who work hard on a voluntary basis. We like players who are with us for all practices, voluntary or not." And you offer a contract accordingly. If Sean Taylor wants to be a part of voluntary sessions, then he'll earn the top dollars in his next contract. If not, then maybe he has a million or two shaved off of what he would have otherwise been offered. And if he walks, fine, he wouldn't have been a good fit for us so long as voluntary practices are that important to team chemistry in Gibbs' eyes.

But you don't bench him (unless he starts skipping mandatory practices). That's just plain moronic. Winning games is still the bottom line.

But you don't bench him (unless he starts skipping mandatory practices). That's just plain moronic. Winning games is still the bottom line.
Amen - this thread was meant to leave the salary out of it completely.