Sean Taylor - What if...

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celts32
05-18-2005, 09:42 AM
Taylor would have to hold out of training camp for me to sit him. How can you lose a job over activities labled "voluntary"? He should definitely be there though...I have not changed my mind on that.

joethiesmanfan
05-18-2005, 10:20 AM
I am just glad he not gonna hold out like T.O. he has potential to be a monster. All I am thinking is beat Dallas. That should be our focus everyone focussssssssssssssss!

PSUSkinsFan21
05-18-2005, 10:30 AM
Yeah we did have the #3 D with out Arrington, Daniels, Bowen and others, but do you think that they would have been benched if they were able to play? Then just think how much better our D could have been if they all were healthy!!

Apples and Oranges. None of the injured players pulled the same sh!t Taylor is pulling. Of course they wouldn't be benched.....they did nothing to deserve it.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I don't think it's completely out of question to bench players that piss all over you. It wouldn't be the first time a starter was put on the bench to send a message. It's been done in all professional sports. Personally, I like what Gruden did to Keyshawn, and I hope more coaches grow the balls to do that to other players like him in the future.

djnemo65
05-18-2005, 10:39 AM
He's got issues, but i still say play him. he will be one of the top 3 safeties in the game in 2 years.

Defensewins
05-18-2005, 10:41 AM
Am I the only one who thinks our defense was better BECAUSE Bowen was out? He had a great game vs TB, but that guy is horrible in passing situations.

You are not alone, Man. :D
Bowen is a huge liability in the passing game. But he is good at blitzing the QB.
If his pass defense skills do not improve he will eventually be replaced. I do not like it that we have to sub our safeties depending on situations. Teams will exploit it and throw over to bowen when he is in.

I know it is summer and not much Skins news to talk about....but in this over saturated media, overly judgemental (church lady) time we live in...some of you guys are ready to throw ST under the bus for these minor issues? Yes this isn't high school, but the NFL is not nor has it ever been a high moral place. Some of our past stars were much worse than ST. I worry about alienating all our good players because some hypocritical/overl judgmental repoters are burning players publicly.
Let ST show up on Sundays and play his heart out for us. Leave him alone. The guy will be a probowl player soon. What he does on his spare time is his bussiness, not ours. VOLUNTARY WORK OUT - change the name if they are not voluntary!

Defensewins
05-18-2005, 10:51 AM
Apples and Oranges. None of the injured players pulled the same sh!t Taylor is pulling. Of course they wouldn't be benched.....they did nothing to deserve it.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I don't think it's completely out of question to bench players that piss all over you. It wouldn't be the first time a starter was put on the bench to send a message. It's been done in all professional sports. Personally, I like what Gruden did to Keyshawn, and I hope more coaches grow the balls to do that to other players like him in the future.


Apples and Oranges...you are comparing Me-Shawn Johnson, who yelled and physically threatened his head coach (on National TV) (on the sideline during a game) to Sean Taylor, who missed a few VOLUNTARY work outs, a BS rookie meeting, and wants a new contract? Not even close.

MTK
05-18-2005, 10:57 AM
If he shows for camp and his contract isn't an issue, why would he not be the starter? We can't really punish him for not showing to voluntary workouts, as much as it may irk the staff.

This whole thing probably irritates the fans more than the team and coaches.

Gmanc711
05-18-2005, 11:00 AM
Am I the only one who thinks our defense was better BECAUSE Bowen was out? He had a great game vs TB, but that guy is horrible in passing situations.

If Taylor is the best player at his position, he should start.

Now I disagree about Bowen. I think he brought a good demention to our defense; with his blitzes and play against the run. I think he should be taken out on passing situations, because both Andre Lott and Ryan Clark are faster than he is. Its not to say he'll never face the situation, but I dont think him being injured helped our team.

When you look at the whole picture, we have 4 very capable safties; and two are going to play. No matter which two are playing, I dont really see that as a big problem area on the team. I think Lott, Clark, Bowen and obviously Taylor are good enough to be put in and not miss a beat.

skinnyfan
05-18-2005, 11:01 AM
HE'LL START if he shows up at 12:45 right before we open with Chicago......now that may be pushing it, but he has done nothing yet to relinquish his starting role besides being a "ME" guy......and making me hate him for it......HE'LL START FOR SURE.

Schneed10
05-18-2005, 11:22 AM
If Taylor is burnt out on football, then I say it's actually GOOD that he's taking a break from it. If you're burnt out now, you better take a break now, because I absolutely don't want him burnt out DURING the season.

Any time you want to miss something that's voluntary, that's entirely up to you. That's a choice you make yourself, but you have to bear in mind that if you miss, there are going to be other guys on the team who are there preparing. That could mean that they get better, and make a bigger impression on the coaches. If one of those players shows that they deserve the spot more than Taylor, then Taylor should get benched. But he shouldn't get benched just because he misses voluntary workouts.

Now, do I think somebody on the team can beat out Sean Taylor? Hell no. But that's the way you have to approach it. If Sean Taylor can earn his starting spot just by showing up to mandatory practices and skipping the voluntary ones, then he deserves the starting job.

When you do only what is required of you, that's synonymous with doing the bare minimum. Guys who do the bare minimum aren't the types I want to make a part of my core group of Redskins, and I'll bet Gibbs feels that way too, so maybe Taylor should consider the effects this move will have on his contract negotiations and where he stands with Gibbs. I'd be willing to hand over a bit more cash for someone who goes the extra mile. Benching him isn't the answer, you play the best player, period. But how much you're willing to pay him come contract time, that's where it gets interesting.

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