QB's since Ramsey's draft

I'm not the biggest fan of Patrick, but I do like him and I like him even more after doing some research.

Has there been a better QB drafted since he was picked 02?

You can argue Leftwich, but his numbers are'n't great. Carr isn't even close and he had the luxury of stability that Patrick didn't have. Harrington? nope.

Big Ben? I don't think so. He had a number 1 D behind him, two stud running backs, and a coach that has been around for over a decade.

I know the verdict is out on last years and the year before QB's drafted. . .but out of 44 QB's drafted since 02, he is the best one.

Go back to the 2000 draft and all you got ahead of him is Brady, Pennington, Bulger, Vick, Brooks and Brees and thats a short list ahead of PR.

Maybe, maybe not...
Ramsey is very gifted, but you can have all the talent in the world, if you can't win games, then you suck. We had like 8 or more games where we lost by 7 points or less. He need to win those games for us, lead the team to victory. If he can get do this, then maybe he'll win me over

If you are gonna say no to Big Ben because he had a great team behind him than you have to give Leftwich the benefit of the doubt about his numbers because he didnt have a very good team behind him. For that matter neither did Carr or Harrington.

Hey, let's not forget that PR had a killer D behind him and arguably a better RB in Clinton Portis. However...all of his WRs really sucked, and that's the big difference. Ward, Burress and Randle El could arguably be one of the top 3 WR trios in the league. Who did PR have? Coles, Gardner and Taylor...laughable, man!

Sorry but I think I would take Big Ben or Leftwitch over Ramsey. Just on what they have done so far.
Don't get me wrong. I really like Patrick. But it's time for him to step it up a notch.

If you are gonna say no to Big Ben because he had a great team behind him than you have to give Leftwich the benefit of the doubt about his numbers because he didnt have a very good team behind him. For that matter neither did Carr or Harrington.

Big Ben could not have asked for a better situation when the Steelers drafted him. Ben was drafted into a thirteen year old system that had the same head coach with the same philosiphy. Also the Steelers werent really as bad as there record had them.

But as for giving Leftwich, Carr, and Harrington the benefit of the doubt, why? If anything they were placed in similar situations that Ramsey has ben put in, with the exception that Carr and Harrington had the team built around them. Oh and not to mention that Leftwich, Carr, and Harrington didnt have to learn two totaly different offensive systems either.

Is Ramsey the best QB that has ben drafted in the past few years? I really dont know, but givien the adversity that he has ben threw, he certianly has my attention for this season...

Big Ben is definitely couple of notches above Ramsey and I don't mean high wise. And incase you forgot we've had solid D the past couple of years! Our problem has always been offense.

...laughable, man!

Is that from Big Lebowski? If so, damn funny, if not, I feel stupid.

Anyways, real good points, I like the different angles from which everyone looked at that.

I do agree with the argument regarding the close games we have lost, a good QB has to find a way to win those games...

I'd take Leftwich, Roethlisberger, and maybe Carson Palmer over Ramsey.

Palmer has only played 13 games, and in those games he had 18 TDs and 18 INTs, 2900 passing yards, and above 60% completion percentage. And that was his first year starting.

Is that from Big Lebowski? If so, damn funny, if not, I feel stupid.

Anyways, real good points, I like the different angles from which everyone looked at that.

I do agree with the argument regarding the close games we have lost, a good QB has to find a way to win those games...

Whereas what we have here? A bunch of fig-eaters wearing towels on their heads, trying to find reverse in a Soviet tank. This is not a worthy adversary.

What's this day of rest? What's this bull? I don't care! It don't matter to Jesus. But you're not foolin' me, man. You might fool the guys in the league office, but you don't fool Jesus. This bush league psyche-out stuff. Laughable, man - ha ha! I would have done you in the asss Saturday. I do you in the asss next Wednesday instead. Wooo! You got a date Wednesday, baby!