Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015

Saying that no one in the NFL would want him is rather stupid.

I'll tell you this right now, I would hate to have to face RG III twice a year playing for the Eagles. I might not like Chip Kelly but rg III is custom made for his offense and I would be shocked if he didn't end up there if he is flat out released next year. (I don't think it Wil happen as I still have faith/hope that he is going to be our guy for a long time).

Even if Robert Griffin woke up tomorrow with Joe Montana's brain and picked up all of the mental parts of the game, can he stay reasonably healthy? Has he made it healthy through a single season in the NFL yet?
Even the $18.4 million option for next year is ton of cap space tied up on a player that honestly has trouble staying on the field.
I also want Robert G. to succeed but I have a problem with that one year option.

This is my issue, lets say he plays well. He is still probably gonna miss 4-6 games a year. I don't think you can ever succeed with that, because you'll need to pay a good backup. The roster will suffer.

So when you say that Griffin can't drop back, make reads, feel pressure its a lot of hyperbole. When you say that Griffin can't do those things you make his rookie year into an impossible fluke and you liken his skillset to any dime a dozen read-option QBs that come out every year. Do you really think Griffin is no different then Terrell Pryor or Darron Thomas or Quincy Carter or Tyrod Taylor or Tim Tebow or Eric Crouch. If Griffin is as limited in skillset as you say and was able to win rookie of the year (in a statistically historic fashion btw) then why don't other teams do the same thing with type of QB that you describe? Those QBs are everywhere in college football.


I'm not the person you were replying to, but RGIII is much better than those guys cause he's actually a pretty accurate passer, and he's shown flashes of good things, but he's also shown consistent problems. once he starts to scramble (not boot or roll out, but scramble), the play is already over, he pulls his eyes off the field and the ball is basically never going to go farther than 8 yards at that point. that's something wilson or rodger etc (ie, good QBs) don't do. his instincts are just bad there (pretty consistently too). he also has shown very little skill in predicting/sensing the rush, which compounds the problem by causing him to take off too early. I mean, the guy pulls down the ball and runs a bunch in 7 on 7 drills... no one does that.

that's really the issue that's holding him back the most. (he can be inconsistent reading D's etc, but that's not as hard to fix as bad instincts, which are REALLY hard to change). If he gets amazing protection, that hides it, and maybe allows him time to try and get it fixed, but the odds are generally against it.

I'm all for giving him another shot, I'd much rather be wrong and have him killing teams left and right, it's just hard to see that happening after seeing basically no progress the last two years.

Rich Tandler wrote this about RGIII's first day of Training Camp: "On Robert Griffin’s first pass he dropped back, hesitated a half beat, and threw sidearm and off target."

If Tandler was trying to make me nervous, it worked.

Then I wasn't clear in my post. I meant I think he can play well in any of those offenses right now. Each of those offenses is already more catered to what he does well then Jay's offense last year.

I would respectfully disagree. RGIII’s success came from an offense specifically designed to cut down his choices and allowed him to rely on his athleticism. To be clear, it’s not that I think RGIII is a Tebow, Carter or any of the other QB’s you mention. He clearly has some skills and when forced into a traditional role has performed as an average starter. As others noted, he has some downfield accuracy and arm strength that simply didn’t exist for Crouch or Pryor. Add that to his (formerly) freakish speed and he is not the dime-a-dozen college QB you think I am describing.

I agree with That Guy’s take that RGIII simply lacks pocket awareness on an instinctual level. Can I prove it with stats? No. Can I infer from watching? Yes. Other things I can infer: he holds the ball too long; he doesn’t feel the rush well; he doesn’t step up to avoid the rush; and, as TG said, once he does feel the pressure, the eyes are no longer looking downfield.

2012 was not entirely a fluke, but, as we have seen, it was also not the norm. The offense that worked for him has not worked as a base offense for anyone else since then. While still used, the pistol and read-option as done by RGIII/Shanahan is more than a gimmick but less than a solid base from which to run an offense. While RGIII might be an average QB in some of the offenses you mention, and based on his performance over the past two years, I would suggest he is – at best – an average to below average QB even in “offenses that have spread and zone-read elements.”

To be clear, I like RGIII and am very hopeful that he succeeds here. I believe that, right now, he is a very limited QB with exceptional athleticism, arm strength and, potentially, downfield accuracy. Some of his limitations may be overcome if he can accept coaching. Not sure if others can.

Rich Tandler wrote this about RGIII's first day of Training Camp: "On Robert Griffin’s first pass he dropped back, hesitated a half beat, and threw sidearm and off target."

If Tandler was trying to make me nervous, it worked.

If you ask which am I more excited about, RG3 as our QB this year or all the excellent pro style QBs coming out of college into the draft this year....its clearly the latter.

FYI, im gonna be extremely tough on RG3 this year, he has zero excuses...health, system, oline, etc. I will also have a low tolerance for RG3 apologists.

I have a funny feeling this ends bad.

I hope Griffin plays well and claims the QB spot for years to come. He has the talent, that neither Kirk nor Colt has, to dominate in this league. But he's got a lot to work on both on and off the field. He needs to show he can and prove many coaches, execs and players who have lost faith in him wrong. No more excuses for him

I'd say he HAD the talent before he blew out his knee,I've havent seen much evidence since then to suggest he still has it:(

I would respectfully disagree. RGIII’s success came from an offense specifically designed to cut down his choices and allowed him to rely on his athleticism. To be clear, it’s not that I think RGIII is a Tebow, Carter or any of the other QB’s you mention. He clearly has some skills and when forced into a traditional role has performed as an average starter. As others noted, he has some downfield accuracy and arm strength that simply didn’t exist for Crouch or Pryor. Add that to his (formerly) freakish speed and he is not the dime-a-dozen college QB you think I am describing.

I agree with That Guy’s take that RGIII simply lacks pocket awareness on an instinctual level. Can I prove it with stats? No. Can I infer from watching? Yes. Other things I can infer: he holds the ball too long; he doesn’t feel the rush well; he doesn’t step up to avoid the rush; and, as TG said, once he does feel the pressure, the eyes are no longer looking downfield.

2012 was not entirely a fluke, but, as we have seen, it was also not the norm. The offense that worked for him has not worked as a base offense for anyone else since then. While still used, the pistol and read-option as done by RGIII/Shanahan is more than a gimmick but less than a solid base from which to run an offense. While RGIII might be an average QB in some of the offenses you mention, and based on his performance over the past two years, I would suggest he is – at best – an average to below average QB even in “offenses that have spread and zone-read elements.”

To be clear, I like RGIII and am very hopeful that he succeeds here. I believe that, right now, he is a very limited QB with exceptional athleticism, arm strength and, potentially, downfield accuracy. Some of his limitations may be overcome if he can accept coaching. Not sure if others can.

Agree with everything in this post,especially the highlighted part.That goes back to college,most if not all the scouting reports on RG3 saw problems with his pocket awareness.Unfortunately I dont think its something he can learn,its just instinct and you feel it.When have you ever seen Griff feel the blindside rusher coming at him and spin out of it or move out of the way?I would say never,Romo probably does it once or more a game,its just having a feel and Griff doesnt have it.

Agree with everything in this post,especially the highlighted part.That goes back to college,most if not all the scouting reports on RG3 saw problems with his pocket awareness.Unfortunately I dont think its something he can learn,its just instinct and you feel it.When have you ever seen Griff feel the blindside rusher coming at him and spin out of it or move out of the way?I would say never,Romo probably does it once or more a game,its just having a feel and Griff doesnt have it.

Exactly. His first instinct is to pull the ball down and run, or to back peddle. Not sure they can coach that out of him and we won't really be able to tell if he's improved until he has a real pass rush coming at him.

Brady, who's as slow as a turtle is probably better than anyone at it..feeling the rush and making a small step or two to buy more time. Romo is also really good at it as well.

Agree with everything in this post,especially the highlighted part.That goes back to college,most if not all the scouting reports on RG3 saw problems with his pocket awareness.Unfortunately I dont think its something he can learn,its just instinct and you feel it.When have you ever seen Griff feel the blindside rusher coming at him and spin out of it or move out of the way?I would say never,Romo probably does it once or more a game,its just having a feel and Griff doesnt have it.

I also think he lacks pocket awareness. And what a crying shame that is because if he felt the rush better he could use his athleticism and speed to turn broken plays into big plays for his team. When he was drafted, I thought he would be amazing as a scrambler.