Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015

brunell was only good for about 2 game a year at that point. his legs were shot. he holds te record for least passing yards in a playoff win (64). that's bad.


as for another post on KC, i don't really see him being more than an average starter at best. the interception thing is always going to be there barring something drastic.

Brunell was clearly done at that point.

As for KC vs. RGIII, average is better than very bad. Somehow, I feel that RGIII can either be very good or very bad but never average. KC couldn't beat out the very good RGIII but he could save us from the very bad RGIII.

Brunell? :doh:

strong list 30. You make good points re what the staff should have done but i wouldnt want to be a HC who has a QB so limited that he needs to run 1 read play callsIs that hyperbole or do you really believe he needs '1 read play calls'? If you actually believe that then right off the bat I disagree with your assessment of Griffin. And sure IF Griffin was as limited as you believe then he shouldn't be in the league, and he sure as heck wouldn't have won rookie of the year.

i dont think you can run a legit offense w RG3. not at this stage in his career at least...Personally I don't think Griffin can succeed with Gruden as his HC/playcaller; that is why I thought the FO should have traded Griffin while he still had some trade value. But, the question of whether or not Griffin can run a 'legit offense' I think Griffin would fit just fine in any number of offenses: Philly, Seattle, Carolina, 49ers (previous), Maimi, KC, Vikings and others given time.

Personally I don't think Griffin can succeed with Gruden as his HC/playcaller; that is why I thought the FO should have traded Griffin while he still had some trade value. But, the question of whether or not Griffin can run a 'legit offense' I think Griffin would fit just fine in any number of offenses: Philly, Seattle, Carolina, 49ers (previous), Maimi, KC, Vikings and others given time.

"Given time" is the key. I don't think he could run any of those offenses tomorrow with any degree of success. How much time is reasonable at this point. Further, in each of those offenses, other than Seattle and SF - which have / had dominant defenses and run games, the QB must still drop back, make & be patient with his reads, get his timing right, and feel pressure. RGIII simply does not and has not ever demonstrated consistent ability in any of those phases. His only success has come in a limited offense where he was generally required to make one or two reads.

I'll say it again, he's just not the guy. He has too many issues. Hopefully I'm wrong.

Since the Skins coughed up 16 mil to pick up the 5th year option I have a feeling
a lot of the bad press Robert is getting is just unsubstantiated rumors. I listen to a lot of Redskin talk on the radio and have heard all kinds of BS. I doubt if Robert blamed the bad results on everybody but himself and is an uncoachable egomaniac the Redskins would have laid out that much money. They have to feel he has a good chance to turn it around. Have to admit last year he looked lost out there.

"Given time" is the key. I don't think he could run any of those offenses tomorrow with any degree of success. How much time is reasonable at this point?

Not to mention that all of those offenses already have QB's who performed better than RGIII did last season.

Which NFL team might actually pick him up and start him? I ask that question because Robert isn't going to get any better by sitting on the bench. Unless someone can think of a team that is dying to have him as their starter, he must succeed here.

Playcalling:
-inefficient playcall relay method--from Jay to McVay to Griffin
-predictability/lack of disguise; giving away tendency based on formation e.g. Trips w/ TE iso=pass almost 100%, base personnel I-form is almost always a run etc
-inconsistent playcalling rhythm, didn't set things up-this could be because 2 different people (Jay/Sean) both call plays (Jay himself confirmed that both he and Sean calls plays)
-not having faith in the QB e.g. vs 49ers called 2 QB draws and a WR throwback
pass on 3rd down

Gameplan:
-not enough commitment to the run
-too much straight drop back passing
-not enough comeback/stop routes
-not enough play-action
-not enough roll-out passes
-not enough sprint/motion passes
-not getting the ball to Garcon

Coaching:
-impatience with Griffin as early as training camp
-creating/adding to an circus atmosphere with his post game rant
-not being in sync with Griffin to create a gameplan that made him comfortable
-not having a QB coach
-going with a rookie OC created a staff devoid of experience and feedback
-not giving Morgan Moses help vs 49ers when he was playing LT

I think all of the above Jay/staff related issues played a role in Griffin's struggles.

This is very good. The not having a QB coach combined with McVay's first coordinator job meant nobody was teaching Griffin appropriately. That was a big mistake. If you know you have a QB that needs to transition from a spread / first-read kind of offense, it seems utterly stupid to do anything but throw all the teaching and training resources you can at him.

Hopefully Cavanaugh helps.

But 30 your other points about the shortcomings in the gameplan are apt, there just wasn't enough movement of the QB (meaning shift the pocket or launch point, not look to run). It showed that Jay and the coaches did not get up to speed fast enough to learn what Robert could and could not do. They learned the hard way, which doesn't point to a coach who's ahead of the curve. A coach who was ahead of the curve would have seen that in training camp and developed a plan.

I still think Jay is a mediocre head coach at very best.

I hope Griffin plays well and claims the QB spot for years to come. He has the talent, that neither Kirk nor Colt has, to dominate in this league. But he's got a lot to work on both on and off the field. He needs to show he can and prove many coaches, execs and players who have lost faith in him wrong. No more excuses for him

Even if Robert Griffin woke up tomorrow with Joe Montana's brain and picked up all of the mental parts of the game, can he stay reasonably healthy? Has he made it healthy through a single season in the NFL yet?
Even the $18.4 million option for next year is ton of cap space tied up on a player that honestly has trouble staying on the field.
I also want Robert G. to succeed but I have a problem with that one year option.

"Given time" is the key. I don't think he could run any of those offenses tomorrow with any degree of success...How much time is reasonable at this point.Then I wasn't clear in my post. ...I think Griffin would fit just fine in any number of offenses: Philly, Seattle, Carolina, 49ers (previous), Maimi, KC, Vikings and others given time.I meant I think he can play well in any of those offenses right now. Each of those offenses is already more catered to what he does well then Jay's offense last year.

I think he could learn the offenses more predicated upon rhythm timing like Arians, Colts, Saints, Dallas, Chargers etc. But it wouldn't be as instant transition in those offenses like it would with the offenses that have spread and zone-read elements.


...the QB must still drop back, make & be patient with his reads, get his timing right, and feel pressure. RGIII simply does not and has not ever demonstrated consistent ability in any of those phases. His only success has come in a limited offense where he was generally required to make one or two reads.I disagree almost completely with portion bolded and underlined above. For the sake of comparison, since he's on the same team I'm going to compare Griffin or Kirk. Would you be surprised to know that the only season Kirk was better then Griffin on 3rd down or in "pure drop back passing situations" (i.e. non-play action known passing situations) was this current year under Jay? I can pull up the stats if you want, but going back to 2012 or 2013 Griffin has been the better drop back passer. Many consider Kirk to be a potential starting caliber QB or at a minimum a superior 'drop back passer' to Griffin yet the only time he was better was in Jay's offense which was more geared towards a rhythm drop back passer then Griffin.

So when you say that Griffin can't drop back, make reads, feel pressure its a lot of hyperbole. When you say that Griffin can't do those things you make his rookie year into an impossible fluke and you liken his skillset to any dime a dozen read-option QBs that come out every year. Do you really think Griffin is no different then Terrell Pryor or Darron Thomas or Quincy Carter or Tyrod Taylor or Tim Tebow or Eric Crouch. If Griffin is as limited in skillset as you say and was able to win rookie of the year (in a statistically historic fashion btw) then why don't other teams do the same thing with type of QB that you describe? Those QBs are everywhere in college football.