Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015

You're contradicting yourself in your own post. First you say pp (pocket presence) was not a big issue then you turn around and say that you don't believe he had it in 2012. How can playcalling mask pp? Honest question. If its something you either have or you don't how can it be effected by external factors like playcalling?

This analogy shows you have very little understanding of how good the 2012 season was. If that offense is a band-aid its a band-aid that every single team in the NFL wish they could be doing.

Griffin is not the type of qb that can run for 850 yards and stay upright. He isn't built like Wilson and Newton. The offense had to change. 2012 was a nice season. Griffin executed a special offense designed for him. But people need to let it go and move on. That guy and that offense isn't coming back.

Griffin is not the type of qb that can run for 850 yards and stay upright. He isn't built like Wilson and Newton. The offense had to change. 2012 was a nice season. Griffin executed a special offense designed for him. But people need to let it go and move on. That guy and that offense isn't coming back.

Wilson probably isn't built for it either, he's 3 inches shorter and 22 lbs. lighter than RG3. He just does a better job at taking care of himself and has a better team around him.

Wilson probably isn't built for it either, he's 3 inches shorter and 22 lbs. lighter than RG3. He just does a better job at taking care of himself and has a better team around him.

And yet he's never been injured in college or the NFL. He's proven his durability. He's built more like a rb where Griffin looks like a wr.

And yet he's never been injured in college or the NFL. He's proven his durability. He's built more like a rb where Griffin looks like a wr.


I agree, he has a lower center of gravity and does not look nearly as vulnerable as Griff does when he is running. Nor as confused. He has a plan when he takes off n sees the field better.

In 2012 he did not have to stand in the pocket. Not sure where the confusion lies? Pocket passer vs read option?

Im not contradicting myself. I dont believe he had pocket presence (you said he had it before). I simply said his inability to play from the pocket was not an issue because he didnt really play from the pocket than. His inability to play from the pocket was masked by the play calling.Of course he had to stand in the pocket. We didn't bootleg every play.

I don't mean in terms of rhetoric. Functionally how can playcalling mask lack of pocket presence? I am asking because the article put out the idea that pocket presence can't be improved. So how did this playcalling magically mask Griffin's lack of pocket presence enough to create to become one of the top offenses in the NFL? What did that playcalling do to mask it?

I would like to know where you're coming from.

I dont know if people have said he refuses to,but its no secret that he doesnt want to.Him and his dad made that clear going into the 2013 season,hence thats what Shanny was eluding to in his interview. Wait you did actually see him running read-option right?

See this is exactly what I'm talking about. Despite ACTUALLY BEING SHOWN ON FILM you're going off what Mike Shanahan said. SMH I don't know what to say. Its a no win situation. Lol, his dad.

far as pocket presence goes,I've been complaining about it since 2013,its obvious he doesnt have it.It was on numerous scouting reports coming out of college{which I have posted before}
The pistol def helped mask that in 2012 and it wasnt an issue.Once the pistol started to be phased out and the knee injury took away his athleticism and confidence it became very apparent his pocket presence was for shit
I would like to see these numerous college reports saying Griffin lacks pocket presence.

What did the pistol due to mask Griffin's lack of pocket presence.

Griffin had alot more of it when he as a rookie, he got away from guys using his legs. That guy looks like he is gone though, I don't see it anymore.

Also Gruden is an idiot, and needs to get booted asap.

Wait you did actually see him running read-option right?

See this is exactly what I'm talking about. Despite ACTUALLY BEING SHOWN ON FILM you're going off what Mike Shanahan said. SMH I don't know what to say. Its a no win situation. Lol, his dad.

I would like to see these numerous college reports saying Griffin lacks pocket presence.

What did the pistol due to mask Griffin's lack of pocket presence.

Am I in the drunk thread? I never said he didnt run it,just that him and his dad made it clear to whoever would listen he wanted to be a dropback passer going into the 2013 season,I never said he refused to run it or didnt run it,just that he let it be known he didnt want to run it.

As for the scouting reports,Ive posted them before 2 or 3 times,I dont feel like looking them up again,Im sure you can google RG3 college scouting reports and find them.

Of course he had to stand in the pocket. We didn't bootleg every play.



I don't mean in terms of rhetoric. Functionally how can playcalling mask lack of pocket presence? I am asking because the article put out the idea that pocket presence can't be improved. So how did this playcalling magically mask Griffin's lack of pocket presence enough to create to become one of the top offenses in the NFL? What did that playcalling do to mask it?



I would like to know where you're coming from.


Ill be as simple as i can.
In 2012 RG-3 was about as far from a pocket passer as an NFL QB can be due to scheme. This masked the fact that he is not a good pocket passer. I was completely unaware this was a secret until now.

What did the pistol due to mask Griffin's lack of pocket presence.

I think the offense they ran in 2012 slowed the rush. When rushed, Griffin definitely took a lot of shots. But being in the pistol and faking the handoff on the zone read froze a lot of DEs. He wasn't under pressure as often, and he delivered the ball to the first read effectively.

But defenses caught onto the patterns that the Shanahans liked to run out of that formation, and they schemed to take away the first and second read.

Now of course Gruden is trying to take him in more of a traditional drop back QB. Maybe that's a mistake. But if Griffin were to keep running for 500+ yards per season I don't like his chances of staying healthy. And I'm not sure he's got the ability to become a drop-back QB. I'm just not sure about him at all.

But I'm hoping. Hoping hard for some signs of life this last season.