Not drafting a QB a mistake?

I missed your point here. People disagree with me? Okay, I'm complete my fine with that.

Was that your point?
Mostly my point was when one person stands and repeats the same line over and over even though no one else agrees he is usually a visionary or a stubborn old man.


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Mostly my point was when one person stands and repeats the same line over and over even though no one else agrees he is usually a visionary or a stubborn old man.
I didn't know asking a question and discussing the answers is the same as "standing and repeating the same line..."

But sure, whatevs.

We can 'maybe' each other death. Its just as likely that 'maybe' they wanted a QB but miscalculated where the QBs would be available.

We are talking about what was going on inside of someone elses head, we have no choice but to deal in maybes.

As far as miscalculating where a pick will go. You rate someone as a 5th round pick, he gets taken in the 3rd round. Using hindsight, that does not mean that you should have picked that player in round 2 (or earlier in round 3 if you pick before the team that took him). The best GM's stay true to their board and pick best available (granted thats taking into account that they are good talent evaluators in the first place).

I would consider a GM taking a player 2 or 3 rounds earlier than he had them rated because he thinks another team is high on that player a bigger mistake than staying true to your board.

Its cool if you don't view passing on QB as mistake. Or should I say its cool if you dont think they should have drafted a QB somewhere. We're just talking here....

It seems to me that"appreciably better chance of becoming a successful starter ~then our guys...." is a pretty lofty measure of success for a draft pick.

Is that your criteria for making a draft selection?
Does everyone of the other draft picks meet this criteria?

My view can be summed up like this: you got to play to win. I also think we should have drafted a TE, out of curiosity what's your thought on not selecting a TE?

In general I'm in favor of drafting for BPA, with quarterback being the lone exception, because when you don't have one your chances of doing anything are slim to none.

I think we have 3 QBs all of whom haven't consistently taken off in their careers, but also still have some degree of upside. Even McCoy, who I see as someone who could perform like Alex Smith if he continues to develop over time. So if we were to draft a QB I figure we'd need to cut one of the three (or trade one for below market value). I didn't see anybody in this draft, besides the top two guys, who have significantly more upside than any of our guys. So to me the pick would have been a little bit wasted that way.

Do I apply the same logic to TE? No. QB is different, it's special, I'm OK with drafting for need. If Winston fell to us I would have jumped on it.

I liked all of our picks. We're definitely thin at TE now, but if we hadn't drafted Kouandjio or Jones, just picking them as an example, then I would have said we're thin at RB and G. Wish we had another TE, but I'm glad we got what we got, and wouldn't change it.

By the way, the TE conversation really hinges on Reed. If he's healthy then we're fine. If he's not then we're screwed.

Paul is a fine #2, especially at the price. He can keep safeties honest over the middle and outrun his fair share of LBs. And Paulsen is a solid blocker, what more can you ask of your #3 TE who makes min salary.

But if Reed gets hurt again that's where we'll wish we had someone coming up.

Of course if Alfred Morris gets hurt and we didn't have Matt Jones, we'd be in shit shape there. Same thing with Kouandjio - if Long or Lauvao get hurt I'm not in favor of trusting McLeRib.

There's risk at TE but we had so many holes that the name of the game is walking away from the draft with as few risky spots as possible.

This poor, unfortunate thread has suffered long enough. Kept alive by the determined efforts of its desperate Daddy, it has survived much longer than its deserved one word answer - "No." - would have portended. Yet its life has been torturous - for us. Now it's time to take it off life support and let it pass away peacefully.

The thing about discussions which require, at their core, speculation about conclusions with no definitive answers is that they can continue ad nausem with someone always able to say "but, what about [insert new speculative fact]."

However, the consistent criticism of posters who offer relevant speculation different from the original speculation, simply b/c it is not the original speculation, is somewhat tedious.

The entire discussion is based on woulda, coulda, shoulda. Fun for a while on any topic but, clearly this one, has run its course.

Should we have chosen a QB in the draft?
30gut: Yes.
Everyone else (essentially): We trust in Scotty McC so probably not but maybe, only time will tell.

Let me help on the TE question to save us all some trouble.
Should we have chosen a TE in the draft?
30gut: Yes.
Everyone else: We trust in Scotty McC so probably not but maybe, only time will tell.

As a further time saver, just go back and insert "TE" for "QB" in the various posts b/c it is essentially the same premise, question and implied conclusion.

We should have drafted Billy White Shoes Johnson.

We are talking about what was going on inside of someone elses head, we have no choice but to deal in maybes.I think we can discuss draft choices without wandering off into speculation or dealing in maybes. But as this thread illustrates, its not the only way.

As far as miscalculating where a pick will go. You rate someone as a 5th round pick, he gets taken in the 3rd round. Using hindsight, that does not mean that you should have picked that player in round 2 (or earlier in round 3 if you pick before the team that took him). The best GM's stay true to their board and pick best available (granted thats taking into account that they are good talent evaluators in the first place).Every team has a draft board and most teams say they pick best player available. If a team says they stayed true to their board it doesn't necessarily make them right. Only time can answer that question. So back to your example lets say a team liked Russell Wilson but figured he would be available in the 5th round (or like the Redskins admitted the 4th round) but Wilson gets taken in the 3rd round then yes the teams that passed on him with the thought that he would be available later miscalculated his availability and therefore made a mistake. It happens all the time, even the best GM hit about a rate of ~60 so there will be mistakes/misses of omission or commission every draft. So extending your line of though further (even though its not my point in regards to the QB) Bill Parcels or Polian one of the 2 says 'its better to take a player you like 1 round early then 1 pick to late'

...Even McCoy, who I see as someone who could perform like Alex Smith if he continues to develop over time. So if we were to draft a QB I figure we'd need to cut one of the three (or trade one for below market value). I didn't see anybody in this draft, besides the top two guys, who have significantly more upside than any of our guys. So to me the pick would have been a little bit wasted that way.You'd be hard pressed to find someone on this board who thinks higher of Colt McCoy then me. And yes drafting a QB would likely mean letting one of our stable of 3 QBs go which I would be fine with...QBs come and QBs go.

For me its not about degrees of upside in comparison to what we have because the draft is crap shoot you just never know. The QBs in this draft could all suck or not. For me its about process and QB development in a WCO system. I like the way Ted Thompson, Reid and Holmgren and now McCarthy approached the QB position via the draft they take (waste) at least 1 every draft.

I liked all of our picks.In a vacuum I like all our picks. I really like the Spaight kid. I would have liked to see us come away with a QB and a TE. I like the Boyle from Delaware. Hopefully(but I would prefer not to live on hope but..) Paulsen can have a throw back/bounce back year.watch?v=WP89IjbzPQo I've always viewed him as a poor mans Witten but last year his play slipped as a receiver and as a blocker. I like Niles and applaud his commitment to getting bigger but when it comes to blocking at the point of attack he's still a rocked up WR in my eyes.