TheMalcolmConnection
05-06-2005, 10:14 AM
I really doubt Gibbs would go for it unless it's a critical game or situation.
He's too fragile and too important to our WR corps to risk on returns.
True. I always forget about Brown. I hope Moss doesn't get hit TOO hard this year. I also forgot how fragile he was. Hopefully he'll just go deep and not have to worry about going over the middle...
Schneed10
05-06-2005, 10:22 AM
True. I always forget about Brown. I hope Moss doesn't get hit TOO hard this year. I also forgot how fragile he was. Hopefully he'll just go deep and not have to worry about going over the middle...
See, I wonder if that's a misconception. Moss has been fragile in the past because of hamstring issues, not really because of hits he's taken. It's not like he's had injuries because he's been leveled while going over the middle, he has missed games because of pulled and strained hamstrings.
When you have bad hamstrings and they're sore, you might appear to be tentative while going over the middle because your legs hurt, and because you can't run in there with the same vigor you usually do.
I'm going to give him a chance to prove that he can go over the middle fearlessly. If his hamstrings are healthy and he starts pulling a Todd Pinkston in the middle of the field, then me and him are going to have words. But until I see that I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt.
TheMalcolmConnection
05-06-2005, 10:25 AM
If I remember correctly, I remember him being a little Pinkstonesque. My memory today is shaky at best because of Cinco de Mayo last night, BUT I do remember him being a little skiddish going over the middle.
I'm definitely going to give him a chance, because some people do complete 180s for the right team and coach.
celts32
05-06-2005, 10:48 AM
Cutting Gardner would be stupid. The only reason Gardner was not traded was that the Redskins wanted a 3rd round pick for him and he is not worth that much. Had the Redskins been willing to accept a 4th round pick 2 months ago he would already be traded. The skins need to lower their demands and trade him. I would rather have a 4th round pick then nothing. If no trade is available I would let him hold out before cutting him.
Schneed10
05-06-2005, 10:54 AM
Cutting Gardner would be stupid. The only reason Gardner was not traded was that the Redskins wanted a 3rd round pick for him and he is not worth that much. Had the Redskins been willing to accept a 4th round pick 2 months ago he would already be traded. The skins need to lower their demands and trade him. I would rather have a 4th round pick then nothing. If no trade is available I would let him hold out before cutting him.
This is a good point because I think we'd get the same cap relief whether we cut him or traded him after June 1. Might as well get something for him even if it's a 7th rounder in the 2012 draft, just get something.
I disagree that if we can't trade him we should keep him around though. Cut him and let him go. It would be stupid in light of the team's rejection of 4th and 5th round picks before the draft, but cutting him would be better than keeping a disgruntled player just to prove a point.
dirtbag2112
05-06-2005, 11:21 AM
Gardner wasn't traded 'cause his demands for a contract were rediculous. I don't think It was because teams didn't want to give up a 3rd rounder.
celts32
05-06-2005, 11:25 AM
This is a good point because I think we'd get the same cap relief whether we cut him or traded him after June 1. Might as well get something for him even if it's a 7th rounder in the 2012 draft, just get something.
I disagree that if we can't trade him we should keep him around though. Cut him and let him go. It would be stupid in light of the team's rejection of 4th and 5th round picks before the draft, but cutting him would be better than keeping a disgruntled player just to prove a point.
I don't think Gardner would sit out in a contract year and if proves to be a distraction he will only lower his value in the off season. He may actually play well this year since nothing motivates these guys more than money. The best case scenario is still to trade him for a 4th round pick and turn the page on the Rod Gardner era. I just can't cut a player that people had interest in trading for a couple months ago.
skinsguy
05-06-2005, 12:01 PM
Gardner has seen obviously his worth in other teams' eyes and apparently to those teams, Gardner is not worth a third round draft pick.
So yeah, if you can get something out of him, trade him. Keep him IF he is willing to work with the team for a year, but Gardner has not showed any signs of being agreeable.
So, with Gardner not willing to work with Gibbs, you have to cut him.
56FAN
05-06-2005, 12:20 PM
let him go and then wait til he comes across the middle against the hammer(36)
then we can say na na nana hay hay hay goodbye!!!!!!1
celts32
05-06-2005, 03:19 PM
Gardner wasn't traded 'cause his demands for a contract were rediculous. I don't think It was because teams didn't want to give up a 3rd rounder.
There was no team willing to give up a 3rd round draft choice for Gardner. They should have taken a 4th and been done with it.