Does character count?

I think the difference is that now players have more freedom to move than they did back then. Teams looked the other way back then because the players had no real leverage.The article I read and the players they talked about that Gibbs had to deal with are the same exact problems we hear about today. I think the only difference is today we have more media and hear more about the situations teams and players are having. What was not news back in the 80s is big news tody.

I still can't figure out how people can say Winslow has a poor character for getting into a bike accident. By the way, I didn't see this mentioned anywhere else - he was LEARNING how to ride in a parking lot. So he wasn't on the road when this happened. Everyone has to learn HOW to ride a bike.
"With his leg still on the mend, Winslow purchased a sport bike last month and was learning how to ride it in a parking lot when he hit a curb."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2053370

Can you imagine how much it would suck if he DOES have to pay back $4.4 million? I have problems paying back people $20, but $4.4 million?!?

What did Jansen say about Taylor? I don't remember that, I'm curious.

He started talking about his DUI (which he was innocent of) on the draft show. It lowered my view of Jansen. Talk about him not being in camp all you want, but don't bring that into it.

Damn, now I wish you wouldn't have told me that. :frusty:

I never thought Jansen would say something like that.

I respect JJ even more for saying that. Hopefully is will help St wake up but I doubt it. It never ceases to amaze me how people will place themselves in difficult or shady looking situations then be surprised that others see them in a negative fashion. Impressions, whether true or not, are hard to change especially 1st ones. This is why people see Iverson in one light while McNabb is seen in another.

I still can't figure out how people can say Winslow has a poor character for getting into a bike accident. By the way, I didn't see this mentioned anywhere else - he was LEARNING how to ride in a parking lot. So he wasn't on the road when this happened. Everyone has to learn HOW to ride a bike.
"With his leg still on the mend, Winslow purchased a sport bike last month and was learning how to ride it in a parking lot when he hit a curb."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2053370


This is not entirely true. Yes the bike was new and he had no experience riding it. However earlier that day or the previous night(can't remember which) he attended a motorcycle stunt show called starboyz. I have seen the video of him moments before the crash. He was doing like 50 in that small parking lot. He was doing spin outs and wheelies. There were skid marks all over that lot. In fact it has been said that he was doing a wheelie when the wreck happened. Now even though it says no bikes in his contract, I think had he bought a bike, got a licence, maybe took a riding class or was slowly trying the bike out that would be one thing. This guy was tying to pull one of those 'don't try this at home' things. An adult should know better.

Daseal, I was one of those people that called him a bad character guy for his bike riding incident. I'll back off of that, I think you're right on that point. But I think he's dumb for choosing to ride a motorbike. That was a dumb choice, so maybe "bad character" isn't the right term. I just think it was stupid. #1, when you have a clause in your contract that says you will lose money if you miss games due to a motorbike accident, it's pretty dumb to choose to ride the bike. #2, when your teammates depend on you to be a big part of the team, it's pretty inconsiderate to do something as risk your health on a motorbike. It's just not smart any way you cut it.

I agree Hijinx one article said the people he was with said he was a novice rider at best and a novice riding wheelies 100 yrds is not smart at all

Think of it this way, Daseal. You're my QB, and I'm a WR with buttloads of talent. First off, you want to win games and fulfill your childhood dream of winning the super bowl. Secondly, you want to play well and put up numbers so you can get a big money contract. Now, here I am going out and partying all the time. I go to a club and hit on somebody's girl and get in a fight. I batter the dude with my massive WR body, and I get arrested. I miss eight games while serving a few months in jail. Now, how do you feel about me? I just hurt your chances of winning your super bowl, and I just hurt your chances at getting a big contract, because without me your WRs suck.

OK, so that was entirely hypothetical. But let's say Winslow misses 8 games. Isn't the effect on his QB, and the rest of his teammates, the same as the games I missed because I got in trouble with the law?

What I'm saying is, no matter whether you're a bad-character guy, or a decent guy but just plain dumb for riding a motorcycle, either way you're hurting your team. And that's the bottom line.