Redskins trade for Free Safety Dashon Goldson

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JoeRedskin
04-03-2015, 03:09 PM
not low cost... $4 million if he makes the team (assuming he does not renegotiate )

Bucs on hook for some of Goldson's salary in trade with Redskins | Comcast SportsNet Washington (http://www.csnwashington.com/redskinsblog/bucs-hook-some-goldsons-salary-trade-redskins)

Seriously, tell me your plan at safety? Not what we should have done two years ago. Not who we should have drafted or signed last year. Tell me, given the current situation - the one Scot McC walked into - how you would have done better: Who you would have signed, for how much, and who you would draft.

And before you just once again assert that D.Hall is the better option at FS, you do realize he is a year older (31) than Goldson (30) and has never done more than spot duty at the position as opposed to Goldson who has played the position since entering the NFL. While there are similarities in the CB/S positions in that both are DBs, CB and Safety are NOT interchangeable and require different mind sets, different physical skill sets, and different recognition skills - you're big on past stats taken in isolation, find me D. Hall's stats in the FS position (only). How many pro-bowls has D.Hall been to as a FS? Goldson went to two - 2011, 2012. Alternatively, show me some solid analysis that D.Hall will have an easy transition to the free safety role such that he is more likely to be an improvement over last year's play than Goldson will.

Also, so DHall moves to FS, making Amerson the 3rd CB - that's a pretty gutsy call on your part given his play last year. What's your plan for depth in the defensive backfield? Seriously. What's your plan for depth at safety and cornerback if we don't make the trade for Goldson? If it involves rookies - tell me why you think counting on a rookie to step into any regular role in the backfield is better than counting on Hall or Breeland to be the depth guy.

As to SS, what rookie safety are you drafting that is an instant starter? When do you draft him? You realize that the consistent opinion of every reasonable draft analyst is that this year's safety class is pretty barren. Where are you finding this diamond in the rough SS that is less of a risk than J. Johnson is at the position? If not a rookie, what is your plan for SS? What UFA would you have signed given your constant whining about the cap?

All you have done is poor mouth every move that McC has made in the defensive backfield and whined about salary cap room. I have yet to see one well thought out idea from you as to how you would improve on the moves made so far this year. McC walked into crap and appears to have made solid moves to improve that situation both from a talent and salary cap perspective.

Tell me how you would have done better.

JoeRedskin
04-03-2015, 03:12 PM
pretty sure the consensus was that Clark was a 1 year stopgap but an upgrade over Rambo/thomas.

now the consensus is that Goldson is a 1 year stopgap but an upgrade over retired Clark.

This.

NYCskinfan82
04-03-2015, 03:24 PM
I like the move a lot, hope we trade back go OLB, DL, OL, OL, and OLB you can fill in the rest.

redskins5044
04-03-2015, 03:29 PM
I like the move a lot, hope we trade back go OLB, DL, OL, OL, and OLB you can fill in the rest.

Only trade back if deal blows you away..we need top talent on this team, if Fowler is there or if somehow Williams falls because MM or one of the Wrs goes before we pick you take one of them. If both are gone when pick then I would be ok trading back as well.

Irrefutable
04-03-2015, 03:33 PM
Seriously, tell me your plan at safety? Not what we should have done two years ago. Not who we should have drafted or signed last year. Tell me, given the current situation - the one Scot McC walked into - how you would have done better: Who you would have signed, for how much, and who you would draft.

And before you just once again assert that D.Hall is the better option at FS, you do realize he is a year older (31) than Goldson (30) and has never done more than spot duty at the position as opposed to Goldson who has played the position since entering the NFL. While there are similarities in the CB/S positions in that both are DBs, CB and Safety are NOT interchangeable and require different mind sets, different physical skill sets, and different recognition skills - you're big on past stats taken in isolation, find me D. Hall's stats in the FS position (only). How many pro-bowls has D.Hall been to as a FS? Goldson went to two - 2011, 2012. Alternatively, show me some solid analysis that D.Hall will have an easy transition to the free safety role such that he is more likely to be an improvement over last year's play than Goldson will.

Also, so DHall moves to FS, making Amerson the 3rd CB - that's a pretty gutsy call on your part given his play last year. What's your plan for depth in the defensive backfield? Seriously. What's your plan for depth at safety and cornerback if we don't make the trade for Goldson? If it involves rookies - tell me why you think counting on a rookie to step into any regular role in the backfield is better than counting on Hall or Breeland to be the depth guy.

As to SS, what rookie safety are you drafting that is an instant starter? When do you draft him? You realize that the consistent opinion of every reasonable draft analyst is that this year's safety class is pretty barren. Where are you finding this diamond in the rough SS that is less of a risk than J. Johnson is at the position? If not a rookie, what is your plan for SS? What UFA would you have signed given your constant whining about the cap?

All you have done is poor mouth every move that McC has made in the defensive backfield and whined about salary cap room. I have yet to see one well thought out idea from you as to how you would improve on the moves made so far this year. McC walked into crap and appears to have made solid moves to improve that situation both from a talent and salary cap perspective.

Tell me how you would have done better.

The Redskins do not have a game until September, so the projected April starter is moot. Rosters are now about 90 players, so Free Safetys will be cut. Hall is a question mark at FS, he might be good. Goldson has been bad for a few years, expecting him to revert to high caliber play is a long shot.

Bring in as many veterans as you can, draft a FS or two, sign UDFAs, move CBs and SS to FS , and see who emerges. There is no Sean Taylor in the draft, but there are probably a few solid ones.

81forHOF
04-03-2015, 03:42 PM
Well, one difference between Clark and Goldson is that Goldson is 5 years younger. The difference between 30 and 35 in the NFL is huge.

I like this move if for no other reasons in supplies us with another option if other avenues do not pan out. Let's hope his struggles in Tampa were scheme related, throw him out there and let him compete.

skinsfan69
04-03-2015, 03:53 PM
This team is in full rebuild mode. So to me, that means I'm not signing anyone 30 or over. No more stop gaps. Period. Personally I would have looked at the draft or undrafted free agents to fill FS. And even though this is a draft swap, we're still out a 6th rounder this year.

What's SM's strength? The draft and having lots of draft picks. So in his first year, I'm keeping every draft pick I can this year. Maybe we move down and get a pick back but right now, just not a fan of giving up a pick this year for a player on the decline.

Kindoy
04-03-2015, 03:57 PM
The Redskins do not have a game until September, so the projected April starter is moot. Rosters are now about 90 players, so Free Safetys will be cut. Hall is a question mark at FS, he might be good. Goldson has been bad for a few years, expecting him to revert to high caliber play is a long shot.

Bring in as many veterans as you can, draft a FS or two, sign UDFAs, move CBs and SS to FS , and see who emerges. There is no Sean Taylor in the draft, but there are probably a few solid ones.


Nobody expects Goldson to revert to "high caliber play", we got a stopgap with potential for a bag of chips.

Now we don't have to move CB's and kill our depth, or draft safeties in a strong OL draft, or wait on other teams and pray they cut their sh*t players for us to sign.

FRPLG
04-03-2015, 04:00 PM
The Redskins do not have a game until September, so the projected April starter is moot. Rosters are now about 90 players, so Free Safetys will be cut. Hall is a question mark at FS, he might be good. Goldson has been bad for a few years, expecting him to revert to high caliber play is a long shot.

Bring in as many veterans as you can, draft a FS or two, sign UDFAs, move CBs and SS to FS , and see who emerges. There is no Sean Taylor in the draft, but there are probably a few solid ones.

Doesn't basically trading nothing for Goldson fall solidly in the "Bring in as many veterans as you can" category?

Kindoy
04-03-2015, 04:02 PM
This team is in full rebuild mode. So to me, that means I'm not signing anyone 30 or over. No more stop gaps. Period. Personally I would have looked at the draft or undrafted free agents to fill FS. And even though this is a draft swap, we're still out a 6th rounder this year.

What's SM's strength? The draft. So in his first year, I'm keeping every draft pick I can this year. Maybe we move down and get a pick back but right now, just not a fan of giving up a pick this year for a player on the decline.

2016 picks. We move back maybe 30 spots in the draft at the most, not a big deal.

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