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RedskinsJunkie 04-30-2005, 10:22 AM Why does everyone use New England as an example??? They build their team diffrently, they act differently, their O and D schemes are completely different, and they have a quarterback that distributes the ball to everyone. We max protect on almost every play and have 2 people running in routes. If you only have 2 patterns to cover it doesn't matter who your WR are.
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I think that you have to have a balance. IN Gibbs O he loves a balanced attack. He like to hit a quick slant and a bubble screen, use his backs out of the back field and run the ball like crazy. AND hit the big one with play action with a burner on the outside. Yes New England has Smurf receivers, but they play completely different. That is why no one that plays fantasy Football drafts New England receivers... 12 different people catch a pass in that style O. When you have one receiver catching 90+ it is just not the same kind of offense and you really can not compare it.
That being said I do think Joe will turn the offense around this year and it will be better (couldn't get worse than last year).
Defensewins 04-30-2005, 11:16 AM New England's spreading the ball around to many receivers has more to do with Tom Brady's great ability to read defenses than their offensive system. Brady reads the defense and throws to the open man. Another great QB (Joe Montana) did the same thing. New England is not the only team to run the Parcells/Bellicheck system, it is basically a multi-formation system derived from the west coast system/pro system. All teams steal or borrow from each other. Remember in the early 80's all teams started running the counter-trey after we debuted it with great success. Once a team invents a new play the very next week most teams are trying it.
In regards to the Redskins in max protection, it was not all the time. They changed it up some depending on the situation. I think Gibbs will be mixing up even more this year. I think the max-protection was more out need than desire, our QB's were killed the years befroe Gibbs arrived.
memphisskin 04-30-2005, 12:08 PM I think our offensive line is the key. We've got solid guys at wideout, I'm going to say it again Taylor Jacobs IMO is going to have a breakout year, and if our line can give Ramsey some protection then we can see more of the offense. If we can keep the safeties back and get more push out of our line, which I agree should happen with the return of Jansen, then we should get more big plays out of Portis.
lifetimeskin 04-30-2005, 01:13 PM i agree with pretty much every thing.
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we run into the same problem gibbs'sessesssss scheme ran into last year; you cant stretch the field sending two WR's and a H-Back downfield. when the redskins put 3 wr's and sent portis in a route, the line folded and the quarterback got killed(or brunell couragously tossed the ball to the waterboy)
here is what is probably going to happen; teams will put 3 DB's on our 3 WR's. then they will use 1 or 2 LB's on our HBack and/or TE. the remaining guys go after the QB. if they can get pressure with those 5 guys, we are screwed(in the same position as last season). but if we can block those guys, any qb in the league will be able to pick the defence apart.
if bugal can create new blocking schemes for todays defences, we should have an exciting season.
I hope you are right Jamf....love the odds. If Ramsay gets the ball off before he gets sacked we get a TD. I truly would love to see Moss and Patten 1v1 with cornerbacks. It won't take too many long TDs before teams back off. This will also help Gardner who will now be seeing the nickel back more often.
Daseal 04-30-2005, 03:32 PM This will also help Gardner who will now be seeing the nickel back more often.
Can't buy it. Gardner will be our #1 next year. I can see both Moss and Patten seeing a lot of bench time with Jacobs, McCants, and Gardner all getting heavy amounts of play time. Moss and Patten are mediocre #2's but pretty good #3s.
Defensewins 04-30-2005, 04:38 PM Can't buy it. Gardner will be our #1 next year. I can see both Moss and Patten seeing a lot of bench time with Jacobs, McCants, and Gardner all getting heavy amounts of play time. Moss and Patten are mediocre #2's but pretty good #3s.
Moss and Patten have proven themselves in the NFL. IMO I think you are selling them short.
On the other hand Jacobs, according to Champ B, is the best practice player to ever play the game (in practice). I can't buy it. Jacobs needs to prove himself. I worry Jacobs (kind of soft) will get his usual injury during training camp and miss the entire preseason....like has done since he joined the Redskins.
Up to now he has to been a bust.
If he gets injured again this year, I think he will get cut.
skinsguy 04-30-2005, 05:08 PM I can't really say Jacobs is a bust - he hasn't really had much of an opportunity up until this point. I will say though, this year is his make or break year in my opinion - the same goes for McCants.
If Rod comes to play this year, by all means let him play. I have a feeling if he's playing for a contract, he'll work his butt off.
It's funny how we talk about #1, #2, or #3 receivers. When the posse was in town, I never considered either one of them better than the other. They always seemed to compliment each other's abilities and performance.
SmootSmack 04-30-2005, 06:46 PM We need someone who we know can get 10 yards when we need exactly 10.
That seems to perfectly define what Chris Cooley did for us when we needed it last year. He always knew where to be
Grayacre 04-30-2005, 08:14 PM Great call TAFKAS -- Cooley was a bright spot for the team last season and nothing suggests that he won't keep getting better.
aprius 04-30-2005, 09:06 PM Can't buy it. Gardner will be our #1 next year. I can see both Moss and Patten seeing a lot of bench time with Jacobs, McCants, and Gardner all getting heavy amounts of play time. Moss and Patten are mediocre #2's but pretty good #3s.
Moss has always had an incredible YPR and not been used up to his potential in NY...Moss is far better than Gardener, Patten is a great #2 and ST guy that gives you quality on the field. He compares slightly better than Gardener because he can do more and gives you more yards per reception. McCants may not make it past the June 1 cuts. Jacobs will get a huge opportunity to show his talents this year but dont expect him and Gardener to be here next year if they dont perform.
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