over the mountain
01-21-2015, 03:30 PM
OLB Coach Brian Baker Says He Will Not Be Brought Back Next Season - Hogs Haven (http://www.hogshaven.com/2015/1/21/7866963/olb-coach-brian-baker-says-he-will-not-be-brought-back-next-season)
Baker put a heavy emphasis on teaching technique, angles, hand fighting, and forcing turnovers during training camp and throughout the year. Ryan Kerrigan consistently praised Baker's influence before, during and after the season. Kerrigan finished the best year of his career with 13.5 sacks(7th in NFL) and 5 forced fumbles(T-1st in NFL). On the other side of the ball, Brian Orakpo had a down year with several injuries, finishing with only .5 sacks and on IR. Orakpo was reportedly not as receptive to Baker's instructions. Rookie Trent Murphy replaced Orakpo and started 8 games, finishing with 2.5 sacks and 2 forced fumbles.
^^^ this is so disappointing to hear if correct. as a casual fan you can see orakpo never tried to improve or grow. he just wanted to use the same exact move over and over again .. that outside power rush.
i feel like he tried to get to the Qb every play, whether it was a pass or run.
so much potential for orakpo, hes gone the lavar arrignton route.
What do you mean by "And what do you mean 'unproven'?" I didn't say that. I think your're smart enough to know I meant someone with a more proven track-record of success.
I was responding as much to what you wrote as to what others have written; which is basically criticizing the critics of the move using the straw man argument that those who are against this move are against it because they're angry that the Redskins did not sign a big name defensive coordinator or one with a stronger track record.
I'm not disappointed in this move because Barry is unproven. While I would have liked a proven coordinator to get this defense to a respectable level until the team puts itself in a strong enough position to make a high-risk-high-reward move, I would have been okay with a guy who hasn't yet had a chance to prove that he can be a good coordinator in this league. That's not he case with Barry. What more evidence could a person possibly need to be convinced that a coordinator is not good? He had a chance. He could not have done worse. I repeat, he could not have done worse. And I don't mean in an "anyone is better than Haslett" argument. I mean, literally, the man could not have done worse. There were 31 other defensive coordinators in the league, all of whom did better than him in both points allowed and yards allowed for two full seasons.
As far suggesting that people take it easy and relax because there's nothing as fans we can do about it... that's great as your prerogative, but do you want this website to be a banner of propaganda, or do you want honest discussion? Because if it's the latter you want, then don't complain about other people complaining. I'm as tired of it as anyone else, but I'm not going to stick my head in the sand and tell myself to be happy with an obviously bone-headed hire because someday we won't suck. You wrote that "this team will suck until...well... it doesn't." You're much more optimistic than I am. After hires like this, I'm more in the camp that "this team will suck until I die." And I'm never going to stop complaining.
SFREDSKIN
01-21-2015, 04:04 PM
For what it's worth:
NFL Jarret Johnson high on Redskins defensive coordinator Joe Barry - ESPN (http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=washington-redskins&id=14845&src=desktop&rand=ref~%7B%22ref%22%3A%22http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2Fbh1 ZiIsaEb%22%7D)
DYoungJelly
01-21-2015, 07:06 PM
I believe Jay said 3-4 today
Right.
I should have been more specific.
Any notions out there whether Barry's 3 down lineman in the base defense play pass rush as a priority or occupy blockers as a priority?
What changes in philosophy can we expect from last years base strategy?
Probably too early to know without a track record as a coordinator but I'm really interested in the changes to expect. (Probably also speculative without knowing what talent will be here at what positions.)
I really liked the philosophy Wade Phillips followed in his 3-4 schemes. Get the big guys in the QB's face asap.
I haven't seen any articles or interviews addressing it.
Right.
I should have been more specific.
Any notions out there whether Barry's 3 down lineman in the base defense play pass rush as a priority or occupy blockers as a priority?
What changes in philosophy can we expect from last years base strategy?
Probably too early to know without a track record as a coordinator but I'm really interested in the changes to expect. (Probably also speculative without knowing what talent will be here at what positions.)
I really liked the philosophy Wade Phillips followed in his 3-4 schemes. Get the big guys in the QB's face asap.
I haven't seen any articles or interviews addressing it.
Here’s a look at what Joe Barry’s Redskins defense might look like - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2015/01/21/previewing-joe-barry-as-redskins-defensive-coordinator/)
Schneed10
01-21-2015, 07:31 PM
I don't think he was. I can't say for sure, but people I talk to within and close to the Redskins always left me with the impression that talks were never very serious re: Wade
Jason Reid thinks otherwise
Schneed10
01-21-2015, 07:37 PM
Giving the guy a chance and being upset about the hire are not at all mutually exclusive. We will all be giving the guy a chance because what choice do we have? So please drop that useless rhetoric.
The question isn't what kind of job he'll do, the question is how did we make this hiring decision?
We made it by going with yet another coach Jay is familiar with, despite a much more accomplished coach with a proven record of quick fixing being available.
You can't freak out at the hire till you see the result, so please stifle the obvious give the guy a chance statements. The problem is we once again closed ourselves off to a new way of thinking and again went with someone we know.
It's just another example of why I think Jay Gruden is destined for failure, no commitment to surrounding himself with the best, only with what he knows.
HailGreen28
01-21-2015, 07:53 PM
At this point, I just hope our defense doesn't look like this next season:
http://img.fark.net/images/cache/850/h/hV/fark_hVBfSPQr49f9NyOeMAHfAWQ5RV4.jpg?t=6wdof78dvWx XMv6-AVgEaQ&f=1422248400
A scary precedent was set with Danny Smith. ST was bad with Smith, blocked kicks, so many block-in-back penalties.... then Smith left and we went with a no name coach from bad to horrible. Now we finally got rid of Haslett, and we bring in... another no name.
skinsnut
01-21-2015, 08:01 PM
I can't believe it...they axed one of the best assistants we have...probably the best...Brian Baker LB coach is gone!!
It just keeps getting better and better!
Here's another story on that
Redskins part ways with assistant Brian Baker - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2015/01/21/redskins-part-ways-with-assistant-brian-baker/)
I can't believe it...they axed one of the best assistants we have...probably the best...Brian Baker LB coach is gone!!
It just keeps getting better and better!
Here's another story on that
Redskins part ways with assistant Brian Baker - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2015/01/21/redskins-part-ways-with-assistant-brian-baker/)
Likely Fangio would have done the same.