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Redskins8588 04-25-2005, 12:52 AM the skins didnt get one single linemen in this years draft!!!
the redskins have been in decline since they ran casserly out of town. we have no core players despite what gibbs says.
I disagree about the Redskins not having any "core" players. Not to be a jerk or come off as an ass, but did you watch any of the draft when they were talking with Jensen, Green, and some LB from NE? They were asked about when Randy Moss walked off the field, and the LB from NE said that it was no big deal, and I thought that Jensen was going to come unglued on the guy!! It was pretty good, but I would have to say that there is no guy in DC right now that wants to win more than Jensen and he would be the first guy on the "CORE" Redskins group.
huntz 04-25-2005, 12:57 AM From what I saw from Jensen on espn, thought he did a good job. He's got the knack to be a broadcaster when he gives it up someday.
SmootSmack 04-25-2005, 12:58 AM Of course, you are free to imagine that everyone the Skins brought in here in the off-season will immediately commence to play like Hall of Famers.
What I wouldn't give to have Curmudgeon stop using this same damn line every time, acting like we Redskins fans are a bunch of "meatheads" who think there's nothing between bust and Canton bust. Annoys the #$)(@& out of me...who's with me?
SKINSnCANES 04-25-2005, 01:00 AM If Ramsey takes us to the super bowl this year, awesome. Then we have the same problem teh chargers do, which is a great problem to have. Two young great qbs. That gives us all kinds of depth and leverage. If ramsey is a bust, then we have anotehr guy in the wings learnign the system thats waiting for his chance.
The only way we lose, is if both of them turn out to be busts. That, and what is most peoples concern, is that we dotn have a first round pick for next year now. They made this trade to get campbell, so dont think that we didnt use the 25th pick to get a player that filled an immediate 'need'. Becuase we would not have traded for that pick if we wernt going to get campbell. Everyone that thinks we should have got an end, wr, te, or whatever with the 25th pick might as well just get that thought out of their head. You can argue about the 9th pick, but the 25th pick was only there for campbell, otherwise we wouldnt have had it.
hopefully we'll get somethign for gardner for next years draft. Hopefully enough to let us move up into the first round if thats somethign we see our selves wanting to do next year.
sportscurmudgeon 04-25-2005, 01:01 AM TAFKAS:
I promise not to use that argument again as long as someone does not try to argue that James Thrash is part of a wide receiving corps that will strike fear in the hearts of every defensive coordinator in the NFL.
Deal?
SmootSmack 04-25-2005, 01:03 AM TAFKAS:
I promise not to use that argument again as long as someone does not try to argue that James Thrash is part of a wide receiving corps that will strike fear in the hearts of every defensive coordinator in the NFL.
Deal?
Fine by me
ArringtonRules 04-25-2005, 01:03 AM I seriously think Gibbs still thinks this is 1990 or something.. He cannot develop and protect somebody like Campbell like he did for Rypien or any of his other QB's.. WE had other needs on defense and offense which were not addressed.. I don't whose decision this was but it was a very bad decision. Taking Carlos Rogers at 9 was xcellent. I thought we might have been tempted to take Williams, but we needed a CB real bad.
As I have said in my other threads, there seems to be no lack of direction or vision from the management. We don't have any plan. U cannot develop a good team if you constantly keep on mortgaging your future. We have no 1st round pick next year. Look at all the other who pile on picks and draft players who can add depth and value to their team. We could lern a ot from Phili as to how they drafted. WE WASTED OUR 3 PICKS FOR AN UNPROVEN COLLEGE QB!! If this is'nt insane tell me what is.. I am losing all hope of Redskins as an organization.. Danny boy needs to get a GM. WE NEED A GM!! We have had a poor draft for quite sometime now.
I was watching the NFL Network this evening and they had Joe Gibbs on Redskins' cam. Joe was talking about how the Redskins really had a great draft and how well they did in this draft. Watching that interview and remembering reading all the negative stuff by alot of fans here, I was quite amused!
After thinking about it, I think Gibbs is right. We got a cornerback to replace Smoot (hopefully), we hopefully have added some depth to the linebacker position, and we've added some depth at the fullback position. I know we (including myself) felt that WR was a priority position like CB, but going on the assumption that the contract thing works out okay with Moss and he stays relatively healthy, I think we have a good group of receivers to choose from. Patton, from what I have heard from Pats fans, appears to be a good find for us, Thrash proved to be a hard worker, Talyor Jacobs may have a real shot at proving himself this year....maybe we don't necessarily need a wide receiver. It's one of those things that we will find out when the season starts.
I think we have addressed alot of areas we need to address through the draft. It will be nice to have a big fullback in on third and short or goal line.....we didn't have that this past season. If we did...things could have been quite different.
Daseal 04-25-2005, 01:08 AM I wanted Williams, but I could see the CB pick. Rogers was #2 on my CB board and PacMan was gone. He's a good player, I would have preferred Williams, a lot, but I could stomach the pick. Campbell however...
SmootSmack 04-25-2005, 01:13 AM I seriously think Gibbs still thinks this is 1990 or something.. He cannot develop and protect somebody like Campbell like he did for Rypien or any of his other QB's.. WE had other needs on defense and offense which were not addressed.. I don't whose decision this was but it was a very bad decision. Taking Carlos Rogers at 9 was xcellent. I thought we might have been tempted to take Williams, but we needed a CB real bad.
As I have said in my other threads, there seems to be no lack of direction or vision from the management. We don't have any plan. U cannot develop a good team if you constantly keep on mortgaging your future. We have no 1st round pick next year. Look at all the other who pile on picks and draft players who can add depth and value to their team. We could lern a ot from Phili as to how they drafted. WE WASTED OUR 3 PICKS FOR AN UNPROVEN COLLEGE QB!! If this is'nt insane tell me what is.. I am losing all hope of Redskins as an organization.. Danny boy needs to get a GM. WE NEED A GM!! We have had a poor draft for quite sometime now.
I think that it's either Gibbs or a GM. I don't think Gibbs would have come back if he didn't have final say on football decisions. So even if we did bring in a GM he'd still answer to Gibbs right?
offiss 04-25-2005, 01:15 AM Yeah he said that Campbell was a player they felt was too good to pass up on and felt he can be a long term Redskin for us. Gibbs spoke highly of Campbell's size and ability to use his legs to get out of trouble. Gibbs emphasized, however, that Ramsey is the guy now to lead us to championships.
This also reminds me of when the Skins drafted Rypien back around 1987 I believe. Doug Williams was our guy, but Rypien was being groomed for our future. Once Rypien became our guy, Gibbs went out and drafted Stan Humphries to be groomed as Rypien's replacement if something happened to Mark. If you think about through Gibbs' first tenure, we really shouldn't be surprised by the acquisition of Chris Campbell. Gibbs expects Campbell to learn from Ramsey and Brunell. Joe also expects Ramsey to be our guy for the next few years and when it's time for Ramsey to step down or if he decides to go to a new team, we will have a fairly young guy who knows the system that we can just plug in!
Actually it was 86 and he was a 6th rd pick and in 88 BEATHARD who drafted Rypien then drafted Humphries who also was a 6th rd pick, you see we drafted 2 project QB's in the 6th rd we didn't give up the following years draft for a QB to groom for 3 or 4 years, and that was before the salary cap, it's even more unrealistic now to draft a QB in the first rd and have him ride the pine for 3 years, and it will be longer than that once Ramsey solidifies the starting position.
It's a dumb move now, and in 3 years it will look even dumber. But we will have to wait for that to happen, but it will! Infact it will probably start the end of next season when draft time starts and we start looking at our need and remember again we can't address them because we have no draft, not that we would ever address a need with the draft.
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