Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.

I wanted Haslett gone also, because guys aren't listening to him anymore after 5 years. Our defensive line is a full rebuild, we aren't drafting well, developing well. We got a bunch of guys that are old or backups, and Kerrigan lucks into sacks after 5 or 6 seconds. I don't really care what we do beyond the line, because it just won't matter. They have to do a better job on both lines, before we pay attention to skill positions. We need a bunch of a big nasties.

Wait, the question of "who played safety?" doesn't apply to assessing the secondary?

This has got to be one of the dumbest things I have ever read on the Warpath. And, being so dumb, it makes ridiculous the condescending attitude that you have extended to several people here.

Try being both smarter and nicer.Please try remembering YOUR OWN QUESTION before talking about being dumb. Or about being smarter or nicer.

YOU DIDN'T ASK "who played safety?". YOU ASKED: what capable, long-term starter help has Morris been given specifically at safety?

I answered that question, you just apparently block out that, like a lot of us would like to block out this season. So here's some footnotes to help you:

Your question doesn't apply to why the redskins secondary has sucked the past few seasons. Vet players were added, like Merriweather and Clark. (1)

But just to humor you: The redskins drafted Philip Thomas with a 4th rd and Rambo with a 6th rd in 2013. Remember this quote from Rambo: (Bills vs Skins) "The coaches require you to watch film." (https://mobile.twitter.com/domo_lxxxvi/status/544535799837233152)
2012 they drafted Bernstine in the 7th. 2011 they drafted Gomes in the 5th.

So why dont we have capable long term starter help for safety, despite 4 picks the last 4 years? Shouldn't we have at least one starter from that? (2)

1) A team can address a position WITHOUT LONG TERM STARTER HELP, by signing vets. Nobody thought Clark was a long term help here. Some thought Meriweather wasn't a long term help here. But the idea was the vets could help us now. The topic of conversation here is the defense CURRENTLY sucks, with disagreement on how much is the coaches fault. Hog and I weren't talking about the future. We were talking about the here and now. I didn't say anything about long term before your question. You're asking that, while knowing we had brought in TWO VETS trying to fill that role, so your question doesn't even apply to why the secondary has sucked under Morris. The Skins were trying to "win now", and the debate is "why haven't we won". Not "what are our long-term prospects".


2) Even though we got two vet safeties during Morris' tenure to improve our secondary, we have not ignored the position in the draft. The picks have been across basically across the board, and if you get anywhere near 50% of picks right you are drafting unbelievably well, but 4 picks the last 4 years on 2 out of 22 positions (counting the reg. 11 O and D), shouldn't one of the picks ended up a reliable starter?

To sum this up: Vets haven't worked, and draftees haven't worked. Could still be our FO, but another common denominator is coaching. And as many people have commented, including here, ES, hail22.com, our safeties blow coverages. They aren't just getting to the right places and getting beat athletically, they aren't even going to the right place. Multiple seasons now that has been the case. That's on the coaches, to get the players to go to the right place, or put in other guys who can. If they can't, it's the coaches fault, regardless of how much (if) the players are at fault.

And again, next time please remember what your actual question is, especially when you quote it in the same dang post. (Would like to say dumbest, but there's another poster here that's made even worse posts. Let's just say it's someone who loves Eli, and cops even when they do wrong, and leave that there.)

HTTR

If Haslett had Sean Taylor back there everything would have looked different. So would be the case for any defensive coordinator. But he also didn't make the defense better than the sum of its parts. We were continually low in the points allowed and yards allowed categories the past two years.



So he didn't have above average players, and he didn't make the below average players that he did have perform any better. It screams average. He is an average coach. He gets out of his players exactly what their talent calls for.



You can't accept average at any level of the organization. Next, the talent evaluators need to get bounced. Because they can only be described as average, AT BEST.


Agreed, the bar needs to be raised across the board. Of course we've known this for years.

Matty, Smoot, if I am being too rude, lemme know and I will apologize. I am mad because I feel Lotus and Hog1 are deliberately missing obvious points I am making, that they are smarter than this.

Matty, Smoot, if I am being too rude, lemme know and I will apologize. I am mad because I feel Lotus and Hog1 are deliberately missing obvious points I am making, that they are smarter than this.

I haven't paid any attention to this thread to be honest.

Matty, Smoot, if I am being too rude, lemme know and I will apologize. I am mad because I feel Lotus and Hog1 are deliberately missing obvious points I am making, that they are smarter than this.

is this an example of wet-snitching?

both the Haslett threads are locked so i will post here re my thoughts on Has mat ...

1. orakpo is his litmus test imo. haslett had 5 years to develop him ... and orakpo is the same player he is in 2014 as we was when he was drafted.

that is a huge failure imo. Orakpo's physique was cut from stone by the football gods. the ceiling was unlimited for him ... yet he regressed under haslett. he never learned another move beside the outside leverage bull rush.

2. haslett didnt try enough adjustments. he had bottom 15 defenses every year yet he refused to switch ends orakpo and kerrigan unless injury and the times they did switch ends, it seemed like we got positive results. perhaps orakpo said he only rushes from the right side .. idk.

3. haslett overly focused and relied on the pass rush ... and then failed to create a pass rush. I think Has Mat had input on the FAs this past year and they decided to neglect the secondary and sign hatcher, re-up orakpo (the right move imo at the time), re-up riley (right move at time).

i think the success of has mat's scheme depended on the pass rush getting home consistently, and he failed to create pressure consistently = total scheme failure = corners left on island for 5 seconds when scheme is only designed for 3 seconds .. no real deep secondary help on all out blitz bc idea is QB wont have to wait for WR to get far down field ...

4. too many mental errors. it is on the players to make plays and run the play that is called .... but after so many errors, the blame has to start to fall on the coach

5. has mat is just a "basic" dude. below average, simple thinking. everything needs to go right for him to succeed.

we need someone who can coach and scheme to make up for our roster weaknesses.

is this an example of wet-snitching????

I am asking if I am in the wrong, regardless of whether Lotus or Hog are ducking my points.

???

I am asking if I am in the wrong, regardless of whether Lotus or Hog are ducking my points.

Hog1 and I are not ducking your posts. We're just not willing to enter the false either/or you have created.

Back to the issue, I asked for "capable, long-term" safeties given to Morris.

You (finally) gave:
Meriweather: really? The guy who has been hurt or suspended most of the time he has been here is "capable, long-term"?

Clark: really? He was done before he came back. He'll likely retire any day. He is neither capable nor long-term.

So, I ask again: what capable, long-term pieces has Morris been given at safety?

And if the answer is "none," then Hog1's original point remains true, that Morris wasn't given pieces.

Why is the notion that Morris has coached poorly AND has been given little to work with so difficult for you?

Matty, Smoot, if I am being too rude, lemme know and I will apologize. I am mad because I feel Lotus and Hog1 are deliberately missing obvious points I am making, that they are smarter than this.
I'm not quite sure what to make of this.....lol.....cry........break my New Years resolution........
I am befuddled, bamboozled and Flummoxed!
I will try to seek out JoeRedskin for a....ruling? I must ignite the ...Bat Signal