All things off season 2015.


Bucket
01-02-2015, 04:04 PM
If Chip Kelly gets out of his contract with Philly. I would bring him to Washington in a heart beat. I like Gruden, but Chip is my favorite coach in the NFL right now.

redskinsfan1980
01-02-2015, 04:09 PM
Define "Real GM" Why do you seem to be so pissed off with the fans? The fans didn't bring hire the unqualified 'qb guru' Jay Gruden. We didn't bring the below average Shawn Lauvao day one of free agency. We didn't give Brian Orakpo 11 million to record 0.5 sacks. We didn't bring Andre Roberts in here to be a number 2 receiver. We didn't overpay for Jason Hatcher who's clearly heading toward the end of his career. We also had no part in signing Tracey Porter, Ryan Clark, and Perry Riley. We didn't draft Trent Murphy, Morgan Moses, or Spencer Long. We didn't have any part in this disaster. It was all Bruce Allen.

We as fans have done our part. We supported this team through thick and thin. Based on how bad this team has been over the last two decades the Redskins organization should be feel good that they still have fans. If the fans come off as impatient, it's because of how bad the team has been. We want a winner after decades of losing. We want competent decision makers of decades or poor decision making. Is it unreasonable to demand these things from the organization that you've been loyal too for decades?

Lotus
01-02-2015, 04:40 PM
I think SS is trying to teach a lesson about the label "real GM," a lesson that I have needed since I have misused the term.

I thought that under MS, Bruce did contract stuff while Mike Shanny was the GM. That perception appears to not be true, or not completely - Bruce was definitely getting his personal say in there. And Bruce did a poor job of blocking ownership when they wanted nutty things.

If true, then the problem isn't that Bruce isn't or hasn't been a "real GM." He's been a "real GM" all along and the problem is that he is a bad one.

In other news, fire Bruce now.

redskinsfan1980
01-02-2015, 05:21 PM
I think SS is trying to teach a lesson about the label "real GM," a lesson that I have needed since I have misused the term.

I thought that under MS, Bruce did contract stuff while Mike Shanny was the GM. That perception appears to not be true, or not completely - Bruce was definitely getting his personal say in there. And Bruce did a poor job of blocking ownership when they wanted nutty things.

If true, then the problem isn't that Bruce isn't or hasn't been a "real GM." He's been a "real GM" all along and the problem is that he is a bad one.

In other news, fire Bruce now. Yes, we do need to fire Bruce, Scott, Doug, and anyone else who's apart of the personnel department.

SmootSmack
01-02-2015, 06:06 PM
Why do you seem to be so pissed off with the fans? The fans didn't bring hire the unqualified 'qb guru' Jay Gruden. We didn't bring the below average Shawn Lauvao day one of free agency. We didn't give Brian Orakpo 11 million to record 0.5 sacks. We didn't bring Andre Roberts in here to be a number 2 receiver. We didn't overpay for Jason Hatcher who's clearly heading toward the end of his career. We also had no part in signing Tracey Porter, Ryan Clark, and Perry Riley. We didn't draft Trent Murphy, Morgan Moses, or Spencer Long. We didn't have any part in this disaster. It was all Bruce Allen.

We as fans have done our part. We supported this team through thick and thin. Based on how bad this team has been over the last two decades the Redskins organization should be feel good that they still have fans. If the fans come off as impatient, it's because of how bad the team has been. We want a winner after decades of losing. We want competent decision makers of decades or poor decision making. Is it unreasonable to demand these things from the organization that you've been loyal too for decades?

Not pissed off at the fans. I mean how many times can I say fans can and often are dumb when it comes to sports. Even I can be, and it's what being a fan is about in many regards. Management does not have the luxury to be that way

CRedskinsRule
01-02-2015, 06:08 PM
Not pissed off at the fans. I mean how many times can I say fans can and often are dumb when it comes to sports. Even I can be, and it's what being a fan is about in many regards. Management does not have the luxury to be that way

But you do agree that the Skins management under Snyder has often appeared to be exactly that way, right?

Do you think it has gotten any better this time around, or are we in for more of the same?

SmootSmack
01-02-2015, 09:32 PM
i feel like i am getting the socratic method here.

you have a lot more knowledge and answers than me.

i always thought Allen did contracts and didnt do the drafting and player evaluating in Tampa. I assume from your comment that he did.

but what has Bruce Allen done to make him a qualified player evaluator?

1st round picks of micheal clayton, carnell williams and gaines adams do not look so great in hind sight. his later rounds dont look great either.

this past FA offseason when he was fully in control for us doesnt look so great. lauvau as a day one priority? porter 4.5 mil per? all the concerns that kept other teams away from hatcher came true .. why didnt we give them the same weight?

why should fans not be disappointed that we have not been told any specific plans to improve on the way our roster is assembled?


if allen really has been a player evaluator for all these years, yes then i would let him have another go at it this year.

But if he hasnt been doing that, then we need to bring in someone who does and can. he had this past year to play GM and he failed to address major issues with this roster that came back to bite us during games and are still issues today.

do you trust bruce allen's ability to evaluate talent? is there no one else better avialable?

I don't care what the title is but I want one person in charge of the business of the franchise-stadium operations, marketing, advertising/sponsorship deals, etc and another in charge of football operations. Allen is better suited to fill the role of the former. For the latter, I want someone who's had experience scouting, putting together a draft board, even playing/coaching at the highest level if possible.

JoeRedskin
01-02-2015, 10:04 PM
I don't care what the title is but I want one person in charge of the business of the franchise-stadium operations, marketing, advertising/sponsorship deals, etc and another in charge of football operations. Allen is better suited to fill the role of the former. For the latter, I want someone who's had experience scouting, putting together a draft board, even playing/coaching at the highest level if possible.

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skinsfaninok
01-03-2015, 05:01 PM
Smoot we need bill Parcells. And mike shanahan and SF are meeting to discuss the HC job.

donofriose
01-03-2015, 06:11 PM
Smoot we need bill Parcells. And mike shanahan and SF are meeting to discuss the HC job.

Would be a good choice for mike.

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