All things off season 2015.


CRedskinsRule
05-07-2015, 04:09 PM
Ugh, fucking Cowboys. So goddamn lucky with shit. Free first round pick.

Vomit. :(
I think I will hold off on appraising how lucky they are. They already have a solid line so he may just sit and be headaches around contract times. That seems just as likely.

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NC_Skins
05-07-2015, 04:44 PM
Cowboys signed La'el Collins

Cowboys sign La'el Collins to deal | abc7chicago.com (http://abc7chicago.com/sports/cowboys-sign-lael-collins-to-deal/702910/)
Go Jerra'......

That offensive line is going to be even nastier than what it is now. FFS

NC_Skins
05-07-2015, 05:03 PM
I think I will hold off on appraising how lucky they are. They already have a solid line so he may just sit and be headaches around contract times. That seems just as likely.

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Jerry generally pays his guys. Even guys he probably shouldn't. (Miles Austin/Roy Williams)

CRedskinsRule
05-07-2015, 05:14 PM
Jerry generally pays his guys. Even guys he probably shouldn't. (Miles Austin/Roy Williams)

Dez? DeMarco? even Hatcher, Ware. There's been a bit of a shift down there, smarter heads are prevailing unfortunately.

My bigger point though was that maybe they made a good deal for a good player at an opportune moment, but they aren't replacing T Smith soon, and while he may replace Free, the upgrade to their line isn't going to be as much as if it were someone like Buffalo or us. So now they will have a guy who having never played an NFL down felt his agent was well advised to threaten the teams with not signing. Ok. I will take a wait and see on that.

skinsfan69
05-07-2015, 05:40 PM
Comparing off the field transgressions to on the field transgressions is mixing apples and oranges and is just plain stupid.

The NFL cares enough about ball pressure that it has a rule about it. They also care enough about it to have specific procedures in place, such that the balls have to be presented to the head official two hours before the game for testing, and kept under watch until just minutes before the game starts. If the NFL didn't think ball pressure makes a difference in performance they wouldn't make a rule about it and wouldn't go to these lengths to enforce it. Brady's a cheater and should not be considered for the HOF.

:yeahright:

skinsfan69
05-07-2015, 05:48 PM
i think the balls were deflated for every game for a long time. Who knows how long.

The fact that Brady was pissed after the Jets game in the reg season this year bc McNally wasnt able to deflate the balls, to me, means Brady expected every game to have deflated balls. But since the jets dont trust the pats, i imagine it was a lot harder for McNally to duck into a bathroom.

the balls not being deflated was the exception to the rule. this was not a one time thing.

i just feel bad for Robert Kraft. he looks like a schmuck. if he asked brady about this before Kraft did his "demanding an apology" speech ... brady left him out to dry.

the fumble thing is real interesting to me.

in 2006, Brady (and peyton) lobbied the league to allow teams to scuff and provide their own balls. Brady was quoted as saying some QBs like the ball more inflated, some like it less.

The NFL didnt allow teams to set their own PSI.

In 2007, the Patriots started this statistically impossibility (per smart expert ppl) that their fumbles went from around league avg of 1 fumble per 39 plays before 2007 to 1 fumble per 79 plays in 207 and after.

Sharp Football Analysis (http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/blog/2015/the-new-england-patriots-mysteriously-became-fumble-proof-in-2007)

Just doesn't seem to be that big a deal to me. Lowering ball pressure a pound under the limit just isn't important to the outcome of a game. Besides, what should they do about Aaron Rodgers? He admitted that he over inflated them. So he's a cheater too? Also the Colts balls were under inflated too so I guess Luck is cheating as well.

The fumbling part has no merit to it because there's no proof that this made the backs hold on to the ball better.

In football there are all kinds of small things that teams and players do to bend the rules. Atlanta pumped in crowd noise and they still sucked last year. None of this stuff has a impact on whether a team wins or losses a game.

Ruhskins
05-07-2015, 06:07 PM
That offensive line is going to be even nastier than what it is now. FFS

Too bad they don't have a decent RB to exploit that line.

Skinzman
05-07-2015, 07:27 PM
Just doesn't seem to be that big a deal to me. Lowering ball pressure a pound under the limit just isn't important to the outcome of a game. Besides, what should they do about Aaron Rodgers? He admitted that he over inflated them. So he's a cheater too? Also the Colts balls were under inflated too so I guess Luck is cheating as well.

The fumbling part has no merit to it because there's no proof that this made the backs hold on to the ball better.

In football there are all kinds of small things that teams and players do to bend the rules. Atlanta pumped in crowd noise and they still sucked last year. None of this stuff has a impact on whether a team wins or losses a game.

Did Aaron Rodgers have the balls changed after they were examined by the refs? There is a range that the ball can be in. The fact that he likes them at the high end of that range is not a breach of any rule. For the Colts balls, they had 4 of 12 that missed the range by a miniscule amount. The patriots had 11 that went well beyond that, beyond what science claims they would have gone down.

I also disagree about it not making a difference. The pats would not have underinflated them if it made no difference. The falcons would not have piped in noise if it made no difference. The NFL would have never made the rules if they made no difference. The fact that all 3 of those things happen clearly means they make a difference. That is undeniable. Throw in how many receivers and QB's have spoken up claiming that it absolutely does make a difference (both crowd noise and the inflation of footballs) should also tell you that it makes a difference.

This doesnt even talk about that its a rule. If its a rule, lobby to change it if you must, but abide by it til its changed. The fact that the pats had people changing the balls after the refs examined them means that they knew they were breaking a rule. The fact that they lied about it also means they knew they were breaking a rule.

Btw, piping in crowd noise and underinflating footballs after they have been examined is not bending a rule. Its breaking a rule. The rule is in place and no one tip-toed that line. They blew that line away and gave a middle finger to the NFL.

Alvin Walton
05-07-2015, 08:33 PM
I dont know what annoys me more, ball inflation rules or the Dallas Ploughboys.

skinsfan69
05-07-2015, 09:10 PM
Did Aaron Rodgers have the balls changed after they were examined by the refs? There is a range that the ball can be in. The fact that he likes them at the high end of that range is not a breach of any rule. For the Colts balls, they had 4 of 12 that missed the range by a miniscule amount. The patriots had 11 that went well beyond that, beyond what science claims they would have gone down.

I also disagree about it not making a difference. The pats would not have underinflated them if it made no difference. The falcons would not have piped in noise if it made no difference. The NFL would have never made the rules if they made no difference. The fact that all 3 of those things happen clearly means they make a difference. That is undeniable. Throw in how many receivers and QB's have spoken up claiming that it absolutely does make a difference (both crowd noise and the inflation of footballs) should also tell you that it makes a difference.

This doesnt even talk about that its a rule. If its a rule, lobby to change it if you must, but abide by it til its changed. The fact that the pats had people changing the balls after the refs examined them means that they knew they were breaking a rule. The fact that they lied about it also means they knew they were breaking a rule.

Btw, piping in crowd noise and underinflating footballs after they have been examined is not bending a rule. Its breaking a rule. The rule is in place and no one tip-toed that line. They blew that line away and gave a middle finger to the NFL.

Brady's in the wrong. I'm not denying that. What I'm saying is just because a rule is broken doesn't mean it compromised the outcome of a game. I just don't believe that a ball that was barely underinflated determined the outcome. I understand rules were broken and he probably lied. I just don't care and the media is on this like flies on shit. They won the SB with normal inflated balls.

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