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Ruhskins 01-14-2015, 12:36 PM Yup. This was another big reason I wanted Phillips.
I liked the fact that it took Phillips one season to turn that Texans defense around...and in the first year of their conversion to a 3-4. But oh well.
NC_Skins 01-14-2015, 12:37 PM Redskins fan logic:
Wade Phillip interview: HELL NO, he's soft, too much of a nice guy!. His son is coaching with the team!. This is another good ol' boy hire! We need new blood!! Blah blah blah!!
I know this isn't accurate. If anything, I haven't seen a single Skins fan that opposes Wade Phillips. It's more like they are wanting to riot if it's anything BUT Phillips.
Lotus 01-14-2015, 12:39 PM I liked the fact that it took Phillips one season to turn that Texans defense around...and in the first year of their conversion to a 3-4. But oh well.
But Phillips did not work in Tampa, and we like to hire coaches with connections to Tampa, despite the fact that Tampa under Allen did not consistently win. But, hey, let's keep getting the Tampa band back together, regardless of whether they were sucky or not.
Ruhskins 01-14-2015, 12:40 PM I know this isn't accurate. If anything, I haven't seen a single Skins fan that opposes Wade Phillips. It's more like they are wanting to riot if it's anything BUT Phillips.
You should really take a look at that thread about Phillips interviewing.
But Phillips did not work in Tampa, and we like to hire coaches with connections to Tampa, despite the fact that Tampa under Allen did not consistently win. But, hey, let's keep getting the Tampa band back together, regardless of whether they were sucky or not.
So we should focus on what coaches did 8 years ago and not what they've done recently? Okay.
HailGreen28 01-14-2015, 12:45 PM That bit about Gibbs is important.
People are creating a false either/or between giving Snyder total power or no power.
As Gibbs shows us, the important thing is actually to find a workable middle ground.
Gibbs found the middle ground. Other good teams find the middle ground.
As we have seen with bad trades, controversies about starting QB's, and many other things, Bruce Allen does not find the middle ground.That's on Snyder, imo. Doesn't matter what the HC/GM does, if the boss, the owner, isn't willing to work at it. It shouldn't take being a living legend to get Snyder to budge a little.
Snyder's been the meddler, from Turner (QB), to Schottenheimer (had to take control back), Spurrier (may have just been a trainwreck), to even Gibbs (above), Zorn ("All I told him was to take his hands out of his pockets"), to Shanny (claims Snyder meddled).
I thought one of the positive things of Allen, was that he was described as a good buffer between Snyder and the team. Is that not true now?
NC_Skins 01-14-2015, 12:48 PM You should really take a look at that thread about Phillips interviewing.
Maybe I just missed those idiots or maybe tuned them out. Didn't see any hate on Twitter, but maybe I tuned those fools out too.
JoeRedskin 01-14-2015, 12:49 PM Redskins fan logic:
Wade Phillip interview: HELL NO, he's soft, too much of a nice guy!. His son is coaching with the team!. This is another good ol' boy hire! We need new blood!! Blah blah blah!!
Raheem Morris interview: F*CK NO!! His secondary sucked!!! He didn't develop anyone!!! This is another Bruce Allen hire!!!
Joe Barry hire: WTF??!!! His defense in Detroit 8 years ago sucked!! This is another Bruce Allen hire!!! Why are we the only team that hires people that are known to the team FO??!!! WE'RE DOOOOMMMEEEEDDDD!!!
lol ... true, true. Based on my 40+ years of fandom and my complete powerlessness to affect any change, I am reluctantly with the wait and see crowd at this point. My burgundy colored glasses, however, have become pretty faded over the last few years. Call me jaded, but the dysfunction and past mismanagement of this team has just beaten me down.
As in the past, I truly hope that assumptions of the apocalypse are sorely misplaced. Given the many red flags (BA Tampa connection, Barry's poor performance in Detroit - even if many years ago - and his lack of DC experience since, and the many experienced DC's with solid resumes available), however, it is hard for me to be excited about the hire. It seems to me that, when I have hoped folks were wrong to assume the worst, the prophetic vision of the Cassandras was recognized only after things had gone to hell.
At this point in my fandom, why should I expect folks are wrong to assume the worst this time from this team with this hire? Anyone? ... Anyone?
SFREDSKIN 01-14-2015, 12:50 PM Why don't people give Barry a chance instead of panicking? Belicheck and many others bombed on the first gig as coach or coordinator.
Ruhskins 01-14-2015, 12:53 PM Maybe I just missed those idiots or maybe tuned them out. Didn't see any hate on Twitter, but maybe I tuned those fools out too.
Some people said that Phillips would have been the "good ol' boy" hire (which the whole concept is ridiculous) and that he wasn't a tough DC.
Everything that I'm reading about Barry in San Diego (where he's been for the past three/four years) looks good. I'm willing to give him a chance.
JoeRedskin 01-14-2015, 01:01 PM So we should focus on what coaches did 8 years ago and not what they've done recently? Okay.
You're right! I mean, just because he had a great interview and worked in Tampa with BA many years ago, the Skins wouldn't hire a journeyman assistant coach who was an abysmal failure in his one attempt at leading a defense without some consistent stellar work in recent years on his resume to counterbalance it. Let's look at Barry's resume as a DC at the pro level in the last five years and compare it some of the other candidates who were mentioned ...
Damn, I can't seem to find it. I know it's around here somewhere. ... Are you hiding it from us Ruhskins? You clever boy!
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