Smith and Kotwica are both quality coordinators. Problem under Shanny was we really didn't commit much to bringing in those mid to late round picks that can at least giving you something on teams. Losing Alexander was big but he wanted somewhere where he could play LB and Arizona gave him that opportunity.
REDSKINS4ever
12-27-2014, 04:03 PM
you know they play a lot of snaps in a 4-3 right? you have watched the games i'd assume...
and kerrigan has 13 sacks and counting now, making him top 5 in the league. so i'm not sure what alternate reality you're getting your facts from, but i'd have to side with matty on this one.
I have watched the games....they might have four down linemen pushing the opposing offensive line at times, but the 4-3 is not their every down alignment like it should be. The Redskins have players that can play in a 3-4 but who are better suited for a 4-3....it doesn't make sense for the coaches to take guys who naturally play one thing, draft them or sign them as FAs and have them do something else....if Kerrigan played DE on every down he would have even more sacks than he does...
Dirtbag59
12-27-2014, 06:44 PM
My wish would be Todd Bowles ( he's going nowhere unless is HC)
My realistic DC if/when he gets fired is Ron Rivera
Alternate DC Ray Horton or Brian Baker
I say bring in Ron Rivera and bring back Sexy Rexy :D
'Midget' remark may loom large - Chicago Tribune (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-070913haugh-column.html)
The NFL's favorite piņata took another beating off of it after San Diego linebacker Matt Wilhelm told a California newspaper that Chargers linebackers coach Ron Rivera advised his players they could rattle Grossman because he was "a mental midget.
VTSkins1961
12-27-2014, 07:07 PM
Not to much as long as HAZ is is fired
You really lost me on keeping Haz.
3-4 or 4-3 really doesn't matter.
diehardskin2982
12-27-2014, 07:28 PM
Haslett puts his players out of position with some of his schemes. It reminds me of when G.Williams would line up the safeties 25+ yards deep. Unless it was Sean Taylor, the safeties where often out of position. But his schemes are way worst. Also, his problem is that he refuses to adjust the scheme at half time. The glaring holes in the middle of the field with scheme and consistent lack of effort to cover a TE warrants Haz's termination. Also the coaches have not been able to teach and improve the talent that was drafted.
The scouts and front office are not off the hook either, we could of drafted Chris Borland or signed UDFA Christian Jones. These dudes proved it on the field and we passed on them because of measurables. They focus too much on the good looking stud and not proven football players.
That Guy
12-27-2014, 10:58 PM
I have watched the games....they might have four down linemen pushing the opposing offensive line at times, but the 4-3 is not their every down alignment like it should be. The Redskins have players that can play in a 3-4 but who are better suited for a 4-3....it doesn't make sense for the coaches to take guys who naturally play one thing, draft them or sign them as FAs and have them do something else....if Kerrigan played DE on every down he would have even more sacks than he does...
quick things:
assuming kerrigan would be better as a DE is just that, an assumption, based solely on your opinion. I'd just say that if you end a season with 13+ sacks, you've done something right, and that kerrigan has proved he's playing where he should. I think orakpo would fare better as a 4-3 DE, but not kerrigan, who (unlike orakpo), was drafted specifically to play OLB in a 3-4.
Grilliams used a LOT of 3-4 in his 4-3, and it seemed to work out fine.
I think there's a problem with the players (and injuries) and also possibly the DC (he's never had a great defense here, and only 1-2 decent years in a very long career).
injuries:
hatcher (DE)
cofield (DT)
carriker (DE)
neild (DT)
orakpo (LB)
murphy (LB)
Hall (CB)
porter (CB)
merriweather (S)
Ihenacho (S)
and that's just people that were supposed to be top 3 at there position. so believe it or not, we would have been awful in a 4-3 too. if it really were that simple, don't you think a staff of people paid millions per year would at least consider it at some point during the last few years?
Dirtbag59
12-28-2014, 12:02 AM
Rex Ryan told friend he expects to be fired by New York Jets - ESPN New York (http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/12083468/rex-ryan-told-friend-expects-fired-new-york-jets)
DYoungJelly
12-28-2014, 03:28 AM
I have watched the games....they might have four down linemen pushing the opposing offensive line at times, but the 4-3 is not their every down alignment like it should be. The Redskins have players that can play in a 3-4 but who are better suited for a 4-3....it doesn't make sense for the coaches to take guys who naturally play one thing, draft them or sign them as FAs and have them do something else....if Kerrigan played DE on every down he would have even more sacks than he does...
There is a really good article about the Cowboys defense switch to a 4-3 which basically quotes Lovie Smith that preaches simplicity.
Lovie Smith Explains The Big Advantage Of The 4-3 Defense - Blogging The Boys (http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2014/7/11/5888599/lovie-smith-4-3-defense-dallas-cowboys-tampa-bay-buccaneers)
Says it is much simpler to plug guys into the front of the 4-3 with a rush first responsibility because of the limited time with coaches after the cba.
Makes sense to me, but I'm not a football guru.
There seems to be more pressure from our 3rd down nickle sets with 4 rushing down lineman that are not playing gap first. More does not equal much. Murphy and Kerrigan next to each were stout on 3rd downs.
diehardskin2982
12-28-2014, 10:43 AM
I think Haslett planned to run aspects of the Seattle styled defense with three rush linebacker set, however he didn't know what he was doing, it didn't work.
Dirtbag59
12-28-2014, 07:03 PM
There is a really good article about the Cowboys defense switch to a 4-3 which basically quotes Lovie Smith that preaches simplicity.
Lovie Smith Explains The Big Advantage Of The 4-3 Defense - Blogging The Boys (http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2014/7/11/5888599/lovie-smith-4-3-defense-dallas-cowboys-tampa-bay-buccaneers)
Says it is much simpler to plug guys into the front of the 4-3 with a rush first responsibility because of the limited time with coaches after the cba.
Makes sense to me, but I'm not a football guru.
There seems to be more pressure from our 3rd down nickle sets with 4 rushing down lineman that are not playing gap first. More does not equal much. Murphy and Kerrigan next to each were stout on 3rd downs.
TL;DR Version - 3-4 Defense cheaper, more players capable of being plugged in, better suited for passing league, just needs new DC.
I still like the 3-4 better though. For starters from a pure cost perspective its generally cheaper, which is a huge plus with a salary cap.
On top of that I believe its easier to find pass rushers for a couple reasons. For starters your pool of talent ranges from DE's in 4-3 systems to OLB's in 4-3 systems. I also like the idea of 3 big DT's in the middle occupying blockers rather than 2 DT's for edge rushers.
I also feel its easier to find productive 3-4 OLB's then it is 4-3 DE's. If you look at the Top 6 leaders in sacks for 2014 (6 because our own Ryan Kerrigan is tied with Mario Williams at present time) 4 out of 6 are 3-4 OLB's. 5 out of 6 play in a 3-4 ( though in all fairness JJ Watt is kind of a freak regardless so I don't think his production is so much a reflection of the system as much as his once in a generation level talent).
Nose Guard can be kind of tough to fill but it seems much easier than finding a 4-3 DT that can collapse the pocket and get after the passer. Paying guys like Vince Wilfolk who are just space eaters in the middle is on average a hell of a lot cheaper then gap penetrators (cough Haynesworth cough).
In a passing league I have no problem with a 3-4 system that on average provides more flexibility for disguising coverage as well as more athletic guys on the field when using the base package. Mostly lowering the frequency of needing to use 6 in the box 4-2 Nickle Packages. In all honesty I believe the problem is more Haslet then the 3-4 itself.
I've long since admired Rex Ryan as a coach so if we got a chance to put him in his ideal role as a Defensive Coordinator rather than a Head Coach I feel we would see a pretty sizeable improvement over years past. Not to mention he would likely be easy to keep as a Defensive Coordinator since teams will likely be gun shy on making him a HC going forward.