The everything Gruden thread

reasons why key players have obviously regressed that don't fall on the offensive hc, let's hear em??

Injury. Trent Williams is hurt. Has been hurt. Continues to play hurt.

He was limping today. There were a couple of plays where everyone thought he was coming out of the game.

The espn 980 broadcast with Larry, Chris and Sonny mentioned this a couple of times as well as his limping after plays.

At 7:30 in the 3rd, the fat, slow, injured guy that hasn't bought in was chasing the fumble recovery like a banshee. He outran three guys standing next to him to try to stop the touchdown.

Pick on somebody else. He probably shouldn't be playing hurt in meaningless games but like others have said, he is an absolute baller.

SO, the pain in his swollen, gimpy knee that he doctors and rehabs through the week so he can come play left tackle for us on Sundays is a reason other than the head coach why his play has regressed.

Geez.

I cant really blame Gruden. He needs to be accountable for some things, but it's the same staff, same players just about. Same outcome..

Something else needs to change up top, or their direction needs to be different.

I do know that McCoy got murdered today as well, and still put up over 350+ yards with 3 TD's.

Defense is banged up beyond belief right now.

I don't think Gruden deserves all the blame here.

We also have to remember that McCoy has had 12 days of reps with the first team offense. If he had more, maybe he comes out faster when we get thoe two turnovers? Who the fuck knows..

I do know that we have some good building blocks, but it only takes one to two bad blocks to have the whole thing crumbling down.

Have we really regressed though? Last year the offense was ranked 23rd in points and 9th in yards. This year we're 22nd and 11th. Mostly the same players, slightly different schemes, same results. Again heading for a top 3 pick.

Added a truly elite WR to get the same overall results. The only way that makes sense is if other key players regress.

I guess we could just keep adding talent to Grudens offense to get better results, but isn't that what Cincy did?? Elite oline. Best WR in pro football with other weapons and a solid game manager in Dalton, but Cincy's offense still withered in big games. Plus that team had a truly elite defense that put Grudens offense in position to win games.

I just don't get it, why Gruden if not for the old boys connection like someone else said here? That connection got him a fair shot, he's done nothing with it. It's not personal, but there's quality HCs out there every year who get results.

Should be renamed the Snyder thread. Snyder hires BA, Snyder doesn't invest in scouting. Snyder created special rules for Griffin. It's like going after the dealer on the street, and constantly ignoring where the supply comes from. The players made dozens of mental mistakes today. Some of that is coaching(still his fault), but some of it is just picking better players.

Seriously???? Some of you guys are bashing Silverback?
The rest of the O line is playing like Schmuckville College Division 9 and you single out Trent????
WTF???

You bring up a good point about coaching candidates. Maybe looking at Grudens class is helpful? Cleveland, Detroit, Houston, Tampa all got new coaches along with DC. The only team with elite talent is Detroit, but every team improved a lot record wise with Tampa an exception. Though they just kicked Grudens teeth in lol. He was the worst hire. Why can't we do better?? That's really what I'm asking, every season quality HC talent is available, why do we have to end up with a loser who's totally over his head. It's zorn.2 but y'all don't want to accept it yet.


We can't do better because we fire coaches too quickly - exactly what you're proposing.

That's the reason we had to settle for Zorn.
IMO, we have a talent issue in several key areas (o-line, CB/S). Even the great Lombardi would struggle to coach some of these guys up.

You guys really don't see the similarities between Gruden and Zorn huh? Gruden can talk all he wants about everyone doing and getting better but exactly is he doing in that regard? That Colt McCoy play where everyone but Logan Paulsen gave up is damning and damaging to the coaching staff. This team is not prepared to play on Sundays. Not even close.

Zorn won 6 games his first season and that's a very low benchmark.

Even Gruden would have to admit that he has done a poor job. There are breakdowns across all units - just today, offsides on kickoffs, lining up illegally on offense, and busted assugnments defensively. It is a team that lacks discipline, and that is a direct reflection on the head coach.

Even Gruden would have to admit that he has done a poor job. There are breakdowns across all units - just today, offsides on kickoffs, lining up illegally on offense, and busted assugnments defensively. It is a team that lacks discipline, and that is a direct reflection on the head coach.

Indy had the same number of penalties as we did except for more yards.

Still, you're right. Over the course of the season way too many stupid mental mistakes.

Holding calls aren't always mental because it's so freaking arbitrary (could be called on every play) and sometimes you get beat and need to keep your qb from getting nuked.

Even Gruden would have to admit that he has done a poor job. There are breakdowns across all units - just today, offsides on kickoffs, lining up illegally on offense, and busted assugnments defensively. It is a team that lacks discipline, and that is a direct reflection on the head coach.



I think Gruden has said he has done a poor job, more than once.

And when a team lacks discipline under multiple head coaches that's a reflection on the organization.

Gruden deserves an entire season before you can even attempt to write him off. And IMO he also deserves next year.