The everything Gruden thread

Beaides DJax who is this talent we have as opposed to last year? If you dont have a QB it is hard to maximize your new talent at WR.
We are missing DHall this year. That is huge. I dont see any talent difference at all really.
I think you are greatly underestimating the stupidity and shooting of the proverbial feet this team was famous for for many years before Gruden got here. Lol.
You are correct about the fact that we have to fix stupid, and im banking on cap money, a first round pick and a new DC to help Gruden do this.

Keim's post game observations touch on the discussion here. Especially the comparison to Arizona and the culture Jay inherited:

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There are only 32 head coaching jobs, of those 32, only a fraction become available, boils down to simple math combined with the law of supply and demand. If Gruden is fired someone, will take the job, period.

Someone will always take an available job but what's the agenda and quality of that someone? Competent people don't sign up for bad situations with tons of restrictions. Gruden is a testament to this notion.

If it wasnt for DJax this past off-season would be a total whiff by the front office.

This is a point that needs to be made over and over again. Really, everything after Shanahan was fired has been horrible. The hiring of Gruden hasn't worked. The other decisions on the coaching staff (retaining Haslett, McVay, Forester, Morris, hiring Kotwica) haven't worked. None of the free agents have worked. Jackson is the exception because without him we may be looking at a 1-15 season. Breeland seems like the only draft pick worth a damn.

In the 5 years since Bruce Allen has been in the organization the franchise has gotten appreciably worse in every single way, which 5 years ago seemed IMPOSSIBLE! Can you imagine that we're so much worse since Vinny F'n Cerrato left?!?!? We've lost 10+ games every season except 2012. He was at least in part responsible for:
-McNabb trade
-$36 million salary cap penalty
-Griffin trade
-Gruden hire and related coaching decisions

While Gruden may not be the sole problem, he's a major symptom and definitely not part of the solution.

This is a point that needs to be made over and over again. Really, everything after Shanahan was fired has been horrible. The hiring of Gruden hasn't worked. The other decisions on the coaching staff (retaining Haslett, McVay, Forester, Morris, hiring Kotwica) haven't worked. None of the free agents have worked. Jackson is the exception because without him we may be looking at a 1-15 season. Breeland seems like the only draft pick worth a damn.

In the 5 years since Bruce Allen has been in the organization the franchise has gotten appreciably worse in every single way, which 5 years ago seemed IMPOSSIBLE! Can you imagine that we're so much worse since Vinny F'n Cerrato left?!?!? We've lost 10+ games every season except 2012. He was at least in part responsible for:
-McNabb trade
-$36 million salary cap penalty
-Griffin trade
-Gruden hire and related coaching decisions

While Gruden may not be the sole problem, he's a major symptom and definitely not part of the solution.

+1. The good news is Allen owns the dumpster.

Stop being so sensible. That is not the Redskin way. Lets just assume the guy that inherited a complete disaster that took YEARS to build sucks because he wasnt able to turn burning shit into gold bars with no cap money, no first round pick, and the worst DC in history that was "given" to him, in 13 WEEKS! Holy crap everybody.

Answer this for me.. What has Gruden done to give you confidence that next year (and subsequent years) with a 1st round pick, cap money and a new defensive coordinator that he's the right guy?

It seems like many of the support for Gruden returning is based on:
-We don't want to 'send the wrong message' by firing a guy after one year.
-We don't want to hear 'same old Redskins' by firing a guy after one year.
-We don't want to start all over again by firing a guy after one year.
-We don't want to look stupid for firing a guy after one year.

But what the thread is light on is, we probably have the right guy in place based on XYZ and that's why he should return. Looking for reasons to support him.

No one has a chance to be successful with the OL that has been on the field. No coach, no quarterback, no one.

IMO, Long will probably start at one G spot next year, so they need to plan on finding a new RT and C for sure. Scherff or Ogbuehi will be available in the top 5. Or trade down to acquire as many usable picks for this year in Rounds 1 and 2. But no matter what, two of them must be spent on OL that can start week 1 next year.

WalterFootball.com: 2015 NFL Draft: Offensive Tackle Rankings (http://walterfootball.com/draft2015OT.php)
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WalterFootball.com: 2015 NFL Draft: Center Rankings (http://walterfootball.com/draft2015C.php)

It must be done.

Answer this for me.. What has Gruden done to give you confidence that next year (and subsequent years) with a 1st round pick, cap money and a new defensive coordinator that he's the right guy?



It seems like many of the support for Gruden returning is based on:

-We don't want to 'send the wrong message' by firing a guy after one year.

-We don't want to hear 'same old Redskins' by firing a guy after one year.

-We don't want to start all over again by firing a guy after one year.

-We don't want to look stupid for firing a guy after one year.



But what the thread is light on is, we probably have the right guy in place based on XYZ and that's why he should return. Looking for reasons to support him.


Due to the complete shitshow he inherited the jury is still out. I have never once said Gruden is a great or even good coach. I simply think it is not fair to fire him for turning a 3-13 team into a 3-13 team without the benefit of the cap money, first round pick, and a real DC.

Due to the complete shitshow he inherited the jury is still out. I have never once said Gruden is a great or even good coach. I simply think it is not fair to fire him for turning a 3-13 team into a 3-13 team without the benefit of the cap money, first round pick, and a real DC.

So I'm not trying to be a dick here, I really am trying to understand... So you're saying because he didn't make a 3-13 team worse he deserves another chance? One minor correction, they had a good bit of cap money (Roberts, Hatcher, D-Jax, Lavauo, Orakpo, Sharpton, Jordan, Clark, Porter were all FA signings) but just did a horrendous job with it. Allen takes most of that weight but Gruden wasn't an innocent bystander to it all. I'm still trying to get why it's not fair to fire him based on what we've seen.

Answer this for me.. What has Gruden done to give you confidence that next year (and subsequent years) with a 1st round pick, cap money and a new defensive coordinator that he's the right guy?

It seems like many of the support for Gruden returning is based on:
-We don't want to 'send the wrong message' by firing a guy after one year.
-We don't want to hear 'same old Redskins' by firing a guy after one year.
-We don't want to start all over again by firing a guy after one year.
-We don't want to look stupid for firing a guy after one year.

But what the thread is light on is, we probably have the right guy in place based on XYZ and that's why he should return. Looking for reasons to support him.

I have been looking for reasons to support him but I am under no delusions that the front office will change it's make-up or philosophy. I would rather get some competency in the FO and if they choose to clean house great.

Can anyone name one reason why Gruden should stay beyond not wanting to change the coach after one year?

I mean with Schottenheimer it was a boneheaded move to dump him as the team had gone 8-8 (a very respectable first season result)

Gruden looks headed to a 3-13 result after having blown through three QB's.

Has he done anything to earn a return?

Ignore the drama of firing a coach after one season, is there any reason to keep him? Any at all? Is the team any better now than it was last season? Any signs that we'll even get to a decent record of 7-9 next year?

If someone can give me a good reason to keep him around for next year, then I'll go along with it, just one.