The everything Gruden thread

Same story in Detroit and Cleveland (pre-Manziel lol). Tampa still blows.



Gruden has more talent to work with this year than we had last year and more help all around. Special teams better this. Defense had some strong games this season and we have a legit passrush playmaker in Kerrigan now but defense overall is pretty close.



Gruden was coddled in Cincy folks! Elite defense backing him up with a ton of talent to work with on offense. Elite oline and best WR in pro football.



And most importantly he wasn't tasked to lead anything/anybody. Lewis' players run through walls for him and so do Zimmer's.


Only major difference is DJax, and had he been on this quarterbackless team last year it would not have mattered. We are missing DHall this year and it has hurt our D terribly.

Whats Cincys offense doing this year without him? A whole lotta mediocrity.
Thank you come again.

I get that you hate Gruden, but its as if the last time you watched them was 1991 and than just started again this year.

I can't remember seeing a Skins team beat themselves so badly week in and week out. We actually have a top-12 offense and defense yet we consistently lose because we consistently do stupid things: miss simple coverages, miss simple blitz pickups, make pointless personal fouls, get kicked out of games, etc.



This undiscipline is on Gruden.


You are kidding right? You cannot remember? Try last year.
I am not going to say Gruden is up for coach of the year or anything, but can we stop pretending we were on the verge of something great until Gruden came and ruined it all??

You are kidding right? You cannot remember? Try last year.
I am not going to say Gruden is up for coach of the year or anything, but can we stop pretending we were on the verge of something great until Gruden came and ruined it all??

IMO Last year we were beaten more on the basis of talent, especially the talent of our depth. And sure, we still have some talent problems.

But this year IMO we have better talent but spend more time doing really stupid things. And we do these stupid things every single week. IMO we were stupid, but not as stupid, last year.

And even if we disagree on this, the essential point remains that we can't win until we stop being so stupid.

I think Gruden needs to go. At some point this season Jay decided that it is more important to get RG3 out of here, then winning games or developing talent. All of the players have regressed, even D.Jax. Gruden has not instilled confidence. Instead he has worked to teardown his players. I get not wanting to hitch your wagon to a QB you don't like, but honestly he needs to work with the roster that he put together.

Bring Todd Bowles as HC

IMO Last year we were beaten more on the basis of talent, especially the talent of our depth. And sure, we still have some talent problems.



But this year IMO we have better talent but spend more time doing really stupid things. And we do these stupid things every single week. IMO we were stupid, but not as stupid, last year.



And even if we disagree on this, the essential point remains that we can't win until we stop being so stupid.


Beaides DJax who is this talent we have as opposed to last year? If you dont have a QB it is hard to maximize your new talent at WR.
We are missing DHall this year. That is huge. I dont see any talent difference at all really.
I think you are greatly underestimating the stupidity and shooting of the proverbial feet this team was famous for for many years before Gruden got here. Lol.
You are correct about the fact that we have to fix stupid, and im banking on cap money, a first round pick and a new DC to help Gruden do this.

Beaides DJax who is this talent we have as opposed to last year? If you dont have a QB it is hard to maximize your new talent at WR.
We are missing DHall this year. That is huge. I dont see any talent difference at all really.
I think you are greatly underestimating the stupidity and shooting of the proverbial feet this team was famous for for many years before Gruden got here. Lol.
You are correct about the fact that we have to fix stupid, and im banking on cap money, a first round pick and a new DC to help Gruden do this.

Fine.

Still, the stupid stuff needs to stop. Joe Gibbs did not win three Super Bowls with people missing simple cover 2 assignments. Coaches of the good teams make sure that their folks don't do the stoopid crap.

I think Gruden needs to go. At some point this season Jay decided that it is more important to get RG3 out of here, then winning games or developing talent. All of the players have regressed, even D.Jax. Gruden has not instilled confidence. Instead he has worked to teardown his players. I get not wanting to hitch your wagon to a QB you don't like, but honestly he needs to work with the roster that he put together.

Bring Todd Bowles as HC

Why would Todd Bowles sign with a team that just fired a coach after one losing season? See, that's the problem. We can have an interesting discussion about whether or not Gruden sucks as a HC, but firing him at this point would do a a lot of damage to this organization. It's already an organization that has a reputation as being a place coaches go to kill their careers. Why make it even worse? The Skins cannot fire Gruden this year, no matter how badly they may think he sucks.

Why would Todd Bowles sign with a team that just fired a coach after one losing season? See, that's the problem. We can have an interesting discussion about whether or not Gruden sucks as a HC, but firing him at this point would do a a lot of damage to this organization. It's already an organization that has a reputation as being a place coaches go to kill their careers. Why make it even worse? The Skins cannot fire Gruden this year, no matter how badly they may think he sucks.

There are only 32 head coaching jobs, of those 32, only a fraction become available, boils down to simple math combined with the law of supply and demand. If Gruden is fired someone, will take the job, period.

Beaides DJax who is this talent we have as opposed to last year? If you dont have a QB it is hard to maximize your new talent at WR.
We are missing DHall this year. That is huge. I dont see any talent difference at all really.
I think you are greatly underestimating the stupidity and shooting of the proverbial feet this team was famous for for many years before Gruden got here. Lol.
You are correct about the fact that we have to fix stupid, and im banking on cap money, a first round pick and a new DC to help Gruden do this.

You are exactly right. Besides Djax it's largely the same players and same coaches. A one Gruden for two Shannys trade.

Who are these pro bowlers the front office brought in who everyone keeps alluding to?

If it wasnt for DJax this past off-season would be a total whiff by the front office.