The everything Gruden thread

You don't stick with a failing investment, you dump it and cut your losses.

We aren't going to see any return on Gruden, next season we'll be in a similar position and people such as yourself will be saying we need to give him another season.

How many seasons must we waste?

I think you have to give him another year. Like you said it is about the investment made. According to some in the local media the clubhouse is more optimistic this year than they were last year despite the same record thus far. Of course that could've changed after yesterday. I do not envy Gruden's position.

I think you have to give him another year. Like you said it is about the investment made. According to some in the local media the clubhouse is more optimistic this year than they were last year despite the same record thus far. Of course that could've changed after yesterday. I do not envy Gruden's position.

I dont envy JG's position either. He is the head coach of the worst run organization in the NFL. That said he knew he was signing on to work in this mess so it comes with the territory.

2 weeks ago, i would have been a 5 or a high 4 on this, but right now, with 3 division games left, and terrible losses to Tampa, and the Rams (I know they are good, but we shouldn't be THAT bad), and not seeing much from team leaders - I don't even know what players might be considered leaders at this point. I am at a sinking 3, I want to give him another year, but my biggest problem, is that it's not like we haven't known that RT and Safeties were an issue, and we didn't address them effectively. (I was on the Morgan Moses bandwagon, so at the time, I thought that was a solid pick, not sure where he fits now.)

I honestly don't know. I still think the team is no better off if they fire Gruden after one season, but I'm starting to feel they're no better off keeping him either. Which means the changes need to happen in the front office first.

Way better? Do you remember the mid 90s at all? We've been a consistent loser since Gibbs 1.0.

Have people already forgotten the glorious Steve Spurrier/Shane Matthews era?

Gibbs 2.0 was a decent stretch (Certainly the team was far more disciplined than today)

I actually thought had we stuck with Greg Williams as Coach and Kept Saunders on as Offensive Coordinator after Gibbs retired the second time, we might have been able to get some momentum going

Well, fine. Let Allen learn from his humiliation not to allow such trades to happen.

Agree. The Rams can't troll us if Allen/Snyder, whoever doesn't make such a stupid trade.

Agree. The Rams can't troll us if Allen/Snyder, whoever doesn't make such a stupid trade.

The Rams can troll us when they make multiple playoff runs and win at least one title. If they continue to be an average team (which they are), then basically nobody has "won" the trade.

Man, f*ck the Rams and Jeff Fischer. They aint got nothing to talk about, they are buried in that division



Colt McCoy is getting more tests on his strained neck Monday.

We still don't have an exact diagnosis on the injury that knocked McCoy out of Sunday's ugly loss to the Rams. His status for Week 15 is unknown, with backup Robert Griffin III waiting in the wings.

Per Kiem.


Im sorry, but it make zero sense to play Colt now, RG3 needs to be back there.

This sounds like a man down situation

Agree with Chico, RG should start.

One thing, nobody and I mean nobody should question his toughness. RG has been battered behind this shitshow line and hung in there, albeit with the yips. McCoy couldn't last more than a couple full games and looked terrible by end of yesterday's disaster.