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irish 11-21-2014, 01:01 PM I would like to be an in game challenge decider when I grow up.
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Grow up fast because the Skins really need you. I dont think they have had a single successful challenge this year.
KI Skins Fan 11-21-2014, 04:29 PM What happens on the field is still football. A game that takes skill. That is why we are all here as fans.....right? Not the $20 beer or $40 parking spot or the $1,000 seat....NOT the business. What matters most is winning a game.
When we have a Bussiness man and the son of a former coach picking our starters we will be a losing/terrible team and it will ruin the morale of the team. But we will have the most profitable team. Yay!
I do not want the owner and GM dictating to the coach who he should start.
Too many cooks in the kitchen.
Stick to what you do best and let the most qualified people do their jobs. It is that SIMPLE!
1. What matters most to us, as fans, is winning the next game. That is not necessarily true of an NFL owner. Dan Snyder may hope to build a winner but perhaps he expects it to take longer than we would like - AND I'm sure that he would like to do it with the very marketable RGIII as his QB.
2. Like you, I also don't want the owner and GM dictating to the coach who he should start. Unfortunately for us, I'm pretty sure that Snyder and Allen don't care about our opinions on that matter. They will use their authority as they see fit.
What I'm trying to say to you is that you might as well accept that there is going to continue to be some degree of interference with Coach Gruden's plans by higher management.
Avinash_Tyagi 11-21-2014, 04:58 PM I'm not opposed to Gruden leaving
I see none of the skills necessary to create a highly successful team.
Gruden is no brilliant football mind, nor is he able to keep his team disciplined.
Perhaps it would make sense for the team to part ways with him and seek a fresh start with a completely new coaching staff
NC_Skins 11-21-2014, 05:30 PM I'm not opposed to Gruden leaving
I see none of the skills necessary to create a highly successful team.
Gruden is no brilliant football mind, nor is he able to keep his team disciplined.
Perhaps it would make sense for the team to part ways with him and seek a fresh start with a completely new coaching staff
Exactly how can you tell what kind of mind he has if:
1) Your FO and Owner are dictating who you play at QB?
2) You have to dumb down your offense just so that same QB can run something?
Jay Gruden is probably one of the best things that has come to this franchise in quite sometime, it's just a shame he's handcuffed with both personnel and play calling.
Ruhskins 11-21-2014, 05:48 PM Exactly how can you tell what kind of mind he has if:
1) Your FO and Owner are dictating who you play at QB?
2) You have to dumb down your offense just so that same QB can run something?
Jay Gruden is probably one of the best things that has come to this franchise in quite sometime, it's just a shame he's handcuffed with both personnel and play calling.
I'm sick of people complaining about the FO/Snyder dictating who to play at QB.
This team made a huge investment in RG3 and Gruden knew coming that in. If he didn't want to deal with this, he should have gone to another team period.
If Gruden has been given the same authority that Shanny was, then I'd agree with this. But Bruce Allen runs this team, and basically this was the personnel given to Gruden to work with.
I'm not justifying RG3 and he'll probably be done after this season here. But Gruden knew coming in that he had to make this work.
It's funny how everyone blames RG3 for pointing the finger at other people but himself. I feel that Gruden spends a lot of time placing the blame on RG3. I just don't know how the failures of a QB are not the failures of a coach. Gruden was brought in because he developed Dalton and seen as a good offensive coach. Even when Cousins and Colt were in at QB, we had issues with the offense.
NC_Skins 11-21-2014, 05:52 PM I'm sick of people complaining about the FO/Snyder dictating who to play at QB.
This team made a huge investment in RG3 and Gruden knew coming that in. If he didn't want to deal with this, he should have gone to another team period.
If Gruden has been given the same authority that Shanny was, then I'd agree with this. But Bruce Allen runs this team, and basically this was the personnel given to Gruden to work with.
I'm not justifying RG3 and he'll probably be done after this season here. But Gruden knew coming in that he had to make this work.
It's funny how everyone blames RG3 for pointing the finger at other people but himself. I feel that Gruden spends a lot of time placing the blame on RG3. I just don't know how the failures of a QB are not the failures of a coach. Gruden was brought in because he developed Dalton and seen as a good offensive coach. Even when Cousins and Colt were in at QB, we had issues with the offense.
As noted by SS, Jay didn't realize exactly how raw he was until he got here. Jay is simply putting public pressure on lil Danny and Bruce in regards to RGIII. He knows what he's doing.
Ruhskins 11-21-2014, 05:54 PM As noted by SS, Jay didn't realize exactly how raw he was until he got here. Jay is simply putting public pressure on lil Danny and Bruce in regards to RGIII. He knows what he's doing.
Jay needs to shut up and coach this team. The offense wasn't thrilling anyone while RG3 was out and was the biggest reason the team lost.
skinsfan69 11-21-2014, 06:02 PM Regardless of what Gruden needs to do, he's seen enough of Griffin,...from last years film, OTA's, mini camps, training camp, pre season games, practice and few regular seasons games, he's seen enough to know this isn't his guy. Yeah he was brought in to coach him up, but if the player isn't capable of doing the job things change. I do think Gruden needs to stop talking. Just shut up, coach the team and deal with Griffin in the off-season.
skinsfan69 11-21-2014, 06:04 PM Jay needs to shut up and coach this team. The offense wasn't thrilling anyone while RG3 was out and was the biggest reason the team lost.
Well the offense did have a few big games, Dallas, Philly, Jacksonville...
Rotten1980 11-21-2014, 06:16 PM I'm not opposed to Gruden leaving
I see none of the skills necessary to create a highly successful team.
Gruden is no brilliant football mind, nor is he able to keep his team disciplined.
Perhaps it would make sense for the team to part ways with him and seek a fresh start with a completely new coaching staff
Almost a certainty better HC prospects will be available, the questions are whether they'd come here and work for/with Snyder and Allen, and will Snyder/Allen pull the trigger anyway.
Jay is here for one reason, the Jon and Bruce connection. Jay has never shown much with x's and o's, and his constant resistance to running the ball doesn't really fit our offensive personnel to begin with. And after 9 games, it's ugly obvious he's not a leader of men. This is the worst disciplined and prepared team I've seen in pro football since Zorn's 2nd year. Jay got there in half a season!!
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