Jay Gruden you are our only hope

No, not at all. It was primarily two things

1) Fred Drasner didn't like him, and Drasner made Snyder look like the most patient man in the world. Schottenheimer "disrespected" Drasner during training camp and at the point Drasner had already decided he was 1 and done. And Snyder listened a lot to Drasner in those days

2) Marty didn't even attempt to make Snyder feel involved, even if it's a token gesture he should have

2 great posts Smoot. Thanks for the insight.

No doubt Marty was a huge PITA but that definitely was no secret so when you hire him you know you are hiring a PITA.

No, not at all. It was primarily two things



1) Fred Drasner didn't like him, and Drasner made Snyder look like the most patient man in the world. Schottenheimer "disrespected" Drasner during training camp and at the point Drasner had already decided he was 1 and done. And Snyder listened a lot to Drasner in those days



2) Marty didn't even attempt to make Snyder feel involved, even if it's a token gesture he should have


Thanks SS.

surprised me because spurrier did well at duke, florida, and the usfl.

weurrfeil and matthews were our QBs back then .. who was the other noodle armed dude we ran out under center? banks?

bad times but spurrier gave us Okinawa.

thanks for the insight SS.

It is noteworthy, however, that Spurried never coached another NFL team or, to my knowledge, was ever considered for such a spot. It's the pinnacle of coaching, but I think even he realized that staying a college coach -- good money, no salary cap, all kinds of creative recruiting opportunities -- would allow for him to be successful and stay put. And he has.

But he was not a good coach of the Redskins. Marty was. Starting 0-5 and finishing 8-8 with the talent on that team was an achievement, and we'll never know what he could have done in year 2. I thought part of the issue was Marty's desire to have say over the roster and that Snyder wouldn't allow for that. But it has admittedly been quite a while.

I hope Gruden is given a chance. The only other coach I would want right now that isn't already tied up with another gig is Cowher. That'd be awesome. But Gruden should be given a fair shot to succeed, and that's on the order of 3 seasons, I think. He did inherit a 3-13 team, after all, and while many thought last year's team underachieved, this year's record and quality of play suggests that it did not.

What's frustrating is that I, for one, thought we would be appreciably better this year. If you look at the various parts of the team, we mostly got better or stayed the same (not taking injuries into account):

QB: same (or worse, if one considers RGIII not developing)
WR: better -- thanks DJax
O-line: same (and still not good)
RB: same
TE: same

Dline: better -- Hatcher (although the Cofield injury hurt)
LBs: better -- Robinson is an upgrade, everyone else the same (debatable about the impact of Orakpo's injury)
S: same/worse -- R. Clark has not been an improvement from what I can tell
CBs: same (again, not taking DHall's injury into account)

P: better
K: same
KR: better
PR: better

One would hope that this translates into more Ws.

When Spurrier resigned part of the agreement was that he couldn't coach in the NFL for the next 3 years

weurrfeil and matthews were our QBs back then .. who was the other noodle armed dude we ran out under center? banks?



bad times but spurrier gave us Okinawa.



thanks for the insight SS.


Osaka. Lol. I think the marines gave us okinawa.

Don't know if Marty would have been the savior, but he was better than much of the circus that followed, except Gibbs, and even JG had his issues. Still, Marty couldn't get over the hump in San Diego either. Whatever--water far under the bridge, I'm afraid.

Stability. For that reason alone, I do hope Gruden gets to stay and to make some tangible progress. Hard to do if RGIII is a bust, but that's the hand he's been dealt, maybe. I don't think we should underestimate the impact of the cap penalty right on top of the RGIII trade. Hard to get better with one hand tied behind your back. And that's what happened. I'm not giving Allen a freebie here, but that shit hurt.

When Spurrier resigned part of the agreement was that he couldn't coach in the NFL for the next 3 years

That's interesting. Any idea why that was part of the agreement? Was he interested in doing so?

As I recall, he was so obviously out of his league (literally) by the end of his tenure here that he was being universally held out as the example of why not to hire a college coach.

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What you describe is not dysfunctional. It is standard management practice in countless businesses. Gruden has bosses and he is obligated implement the instructions of those bosses.

What we have here is Round 105 of discussing what we think the management structure of the Redskins ought to be. If we have a HC who has complete authority (Shanahan) then we argue that there ought to be a GM over him. If we have a HC reporting to a GM (Gruden) then we argue that the GM shouldn't tell the HC what to do.

We can agree to disagree, but this is football not Business school. I'd rather my head coach\staff pick the starting lineup and who should be on the field. That is basic leadership 101.
You let the professional people with skills you hired do their jobs.
Allen and Snyder are not professional coaches.
There is a reason they call it meddling owner and people frown on it; and Snyder and Jerry Jones are generally not liked. I am being nice.

We can agree to disagree, but this is football not Business school. I'd rather my head coach\staff pick the starting lineup and who should be on the field. That is basic leadership 101.
You let the professional people with skills you hired do their jobs.
Allen and Snyder are not professional coaches.
There is a reason they call it meddling owner and people frown on it; and Snyder and Jerry Jones are generally not liked. I am being nice.
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