Jay Gruden you are our only hope

I agree with the premise, but Spurrier was such a joke when he got here that I dont believe we could have kept him. Nor do i believe anybody expected us to. He was clearly a college coach that couldnt bring his schtick to the NFL. I completely 1000 % agree about Marty and completely 1000% disagree about Shanny. He clearly was not making progress and it was time for him to go.surprised me because spurrier did well at duke, florida, and the usfl.

Baloney! His system looked great in preseason and after they won their first regular season game I remember the Skins announcers saying that now that we know Spurrier's system works in the regular season how will it work in the playoffs.


I was being sarcastic about 1/2 a quarter, and i cannot believe u are referencing the Osaka Bowl as to why Spurrier was let go to early. Spurrier rode out the season, and he was clearly not cut out to be an NFL coach.

I agree with the premise, but Spurrier was such a joke when he got here that I dont believe we could have kept him. Nor do i believe anybody expected us to. He was clearly a college coach that couldnt bring his schtick to the NFL. I completely 1000 % agree about Marty and completely 1000% disagree about Shanny. He clearly was not making progress and it was time for him to go.

Spurrier wasnt a joke when he got here but it soon became obvious that his schtick just wasnt going to work in the pros. He had to go.

Shanny made a lot of progress especially in 2012. Then his star QB got hurt and also decided he wasnt "all in" on Shanny's system that had made him so successful in 2012. If RG and the organization had gone "all in" with Shanny I am very sure things wouldnt be as bad as they are now.

Spurrier wasnt a joke when he got here but it soon became obvious that his schtick just wasnt going to work in the pros. He had to go.

Shanny made a lot of progress especially in 2012. Then his star QB got hurt and also decided he wasnt "all in" on Shanny's system that had made him so successful in 2012. If RG and the organization had gone "all in" with Shanny I am very sure things wouldnt be as bad as they are now.

Shanny dug his own grave. He wasn't successful because he just wasn't a good coach anymore.

Shanny is gone so need to speak about him.

surprised me because spurrier did well at duke, florida, and the usfl.

It surprised everyone. IMO, the top management of this organization isnt conducive to anyone having long term success.

Spurrier wasnt a joke when he got here but it soon became obvious that his schtick just wasnt going to work in the pros. He had to go.



Shanny made a lot of progress especially in 2012. Then his star QB got hurt and also decided he wasnt "all in" on Shanny's system that had made him so successful in 2012. If RG and the organization had gone "all in" with Shanny I am very sure things wouldnt be as bad as they are now.


My bad - I did not mean he was a joke upon arrival. I gotcha now. I meant when he got here, as in his first year. Poor wording on my part. I totally disagree still about Shanny. Its been pointed out recently that Shanny did not develop RG-3 at all, he just put a system around him that he was capable of running. However not for the long term - defenses were going to learn to stop it the same way they have with kapernick and wilson at this point. Also due to the physical risks it would not have worked long term with Griff. Hell it didnt even work for one season physically that is.
Edit: when I said i dont remember anybody thinking we should keep him around i meant after year one, not after game one - again poor wording on my part.

It surprised everyone. IMO, the top management of this organization isnt conducive to anyone having long term success.

I was around the Redskins almost every day from 1998 through 2002, so for 5 seasons.

In my opinion, the franchise did Marty wrong. Marty was a colossal pain in the ass, no question about it. And ownership then had a huge ego that head butted constantly with Marty. But, off of Norv, the franchise needed a colossal pain in the ass. Marty could have been like Coughlin here. Hated, yet begrudgingly respected with success to justify his stay.

Spurrier on the other hand was given every opportunity and he repeatedly ignored those opportunities. It was a lot of fun when Spurrier was around, too fun

I was around the Redskins almost every day from 1998 through 2002, so for 5 seasons.



In my opinion, the franchise did Marty wrong. Marty was a colossal pain in the ass, no question about it. And ownership then had a huge ego that head butted constantly with Marty. But, off of Norv, the franchise needed a colossal pain in the ass. Marty could have been like Coughlin here. Hated, yet begrudgingly respected with success to justify his stay.



Spurrier on the other hand was given every opportunity and he repeatedly ignored those opportunities. It was a lot of fun when Spurrier was around, too fun


Did Martys track record in the playoffs play a part in his being shown the door? I mean that was always the knock on Marty.

Did Martys track record in the playoffs play a part in his being shown the door? I mean that was always the knock on Marty.

No, not at all. It was primarily two things

1) Fred Drasner didn't like him, and Drasner made Snyder look like the most patient man in the world. Schottenheimer "disrespected" Drasner during training camp and at the point Drasner had already decided he was 1 and done. And Snyder listened a lot to Drasner in those days

2) Marty didn't even attempt to make Snyder feel involved, even if it's a token gesture he should have

My bad - I did not mean he was a joke upon arrival. I gotcha now. I meant when he got here, as in his first year. Poor wording on my part. I totally disagree still about Shanny. Its been pointed out recently that Shanny did not develop RG-3 at all, he just put a system around him that he was capable of running. However not for the long term - defenses were going to learn to stop it the same way they have with kapernick and wilson at this point. Also due to the physical risks it would not have worked long term with Griff. Hell it didnt even work for one season physically that is.

I think Shanny saw from the beginning that RG is never going to be a pocket passer so there was no point in trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Shanny developed a system that worked and who knows how he would have modified it to stay ahead of the defense. I have read some articles that suggested Shanny did not want to draft RG but, as seems to happen too ofter in this organization, was over-ruled by the owner.

IMO Gruden got this job on the premise that he would develop RG into a pocket passer but I think Gruden now realizes how far away RG is from that goal. So now Gruden is in the tough place of having to get the team winning and keep 51 players happy while he works on the Herculean task of re-tooling RG's QBing. I'm not sure Skins ownership or fans will be patient enough to see if this project pans out.