Jay Gruden you are our only hope

So now Gruden is basically told to apologize and point out that he was a bad little boy for blaming one guy.

Was Gruden in fact ordered to apologize or was that assumed by either Florio or yourself? This is a straight question and not a criticism.

The perception of this franchise to the fans and media has taken serious hits lately. Personally I would like the media to ask more challenging questions to BA. The players and the coaches are always on the hot seat time to put the FO on it.


You are correct. Our problem at this point is that everybody knows/thinks that DS has completely entrenched himself inside the cookie jar. I really was under the impression that he was standing back the last few years. Now I do not believe that. BA should still probably be the mouthpiece. At least it would appear that there is a chain of command in place and that our players and coaches are only worried about winning football games.

You are forgetting that if our offense is clicking it keeps our terrible defense off the field. We won three games this year - all were without Griff. You play the guy who gives u the best chance to win. Not the guy who the owner has a man crush on!

The game against Dallas was the one time our defense stepped up. The other wins were against Tenn and Jax. Even so, Colt got us 20 against the cowboys. Its not like he was tearing it up. We got 28 the next week out of RG3 against a better defense, yet he is being blamed for the loss while people are comparing Colt to Joe Montana for getting 20. KC proved if he gets hit, he goes to a three step drop and throw regardless of what team he is throwing it to. And you even admit that our defense is massively flawed. This is a team game first and foremost.

Do I believe that Colt will lead us to the playoffs? No. If its not RG3, then fine, but outside of one of the elite QB's who is going to have a lot of success on this team. There are a crap ton of problems on this team and it annoys the hell out of me to hear people claim that if we just resign Rex Grossman, we would be in the SB this year because our team is so great except the QB position, which is holding us back and turning what should be a 14-2 into a 3-13 team.

Move on from RG3, Im ok with that. What I have been saying the whole time, Which you and SS among others have refused to listen to, is that we arent winning with the shit show we have as a team unless we somehow get Aaron Rodgers, which isnt happening any time soon. Colt isnt leading us anywhere. KC isnt leading us anywhere. Very few QB's are leading this crap anywhere.

So it still brings us to the fact that we will never develop a young QB with this crap team. And we arent getting one of the elites. So lets do things that make developing a QB happen instead of blaming one guy. So no, I will not blame one guy every time the OL fails. I will not blame one guy every time the defense shits the bed. The fact that you think we are a Rex Grossman signing away from a SB victory is disturbing to me.

The perception of this franchise to the fans and media has taken serious hits lately. Personally I would like the media to ask more challenging questions to BA. The players and the coaches are always on the hot seat time to put the FO on it.

Lately? Did you say lately? This franchise has been rightly perceived as one huge cluster **** ever since Dan Snyder took over the reins.

Was Gruden in fact ordered to apologize or was that assumed by either Florio or yourself? This is a straight question and not a criticism.


Well what do you think? Do you think that Gruden went home and said to himself, "that wasnt very nice to say I better make this rite". I mean the two pressers were absolutely night and day. If there is one thing I believe Jay to be it is a strait shooter who is uber honest when he addresses the media. He doesnt seem indecisive in the slightest.
I completely believe he was told to make things right. Imo it made them more effed up.

True enough. I was just referring to the current debacle when I said lately. Poor choice of word

Well what do you think? Do you think that Gruden went home and said to himself, "that wasnt very nice to say I better make this rite". I mean the two pressers were absolutely night and day. If there is one thing I believe Jay to be it is a strait shooter who is uber honest when he addresses the media. He doesnt seem indecisive in the slightest.
I completely believe he was told to make things right. Imo it made them more effed up.

So that was an assumption. That's OK. I get that you might assume that. Why wouldn't someone assume that based on the circumstances?

On the other hand, based on my own experiences, I think that Gruden may well have decided to apologize on his own. As a manager, I sometimes said things to employees that I later regretted saying and I apologized for on my own initiative. I apologized for saying those things in the manner or place in which they were said. It wasn't that the things I said weren't true. But they were said in a manner or place that was hurtful or embarrassing to the other person and not helpful to our relationship. He may have apologized for similar reasons.

So, that was an assumption. I get that you might assume that. Why wouldn't someone assume that based on the circumstances?



On the other hand, based on my own experiences, I think that Gruden may well have decided to apologize on his own. As a manager, I said things to employees that I later regretted saying and I then apologized on my own initiative. I apologized for saying those things in the manner or place in which they were said. It wasn't that the things I said weren't true. But they were said in a manner or place that was hurtful or embarrassing to the other person and not helpful to our relationship.


Of course we are assuming either way since neither of us know. Lets put it this way than, whether gruden did it on his own or not it was dumb. Because we both know that the world thinks he was ordered, as you said, why wouldnt they.

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Penned directly by Florio for no other reason to just pile on the Skins.



If Florio passes tomorrow i wouldnt shed a tear, might even crack a smile


At this point it's not crazy to at least bring up the possibility. We're 3-7 and full of drama just like last year. Gruden hasn't solved any of our issues. He's part of the problem now.

At this point it's not crazy to at least bring up the possibility. We're 3-7 and full of drama just like last year. Gruden hasn't solved any of our issues. He's part of the problem now.

That's the most depressing post yet in this thread, Matty. (heavy sigh)