Jay Gruden you are our only hope

Rivers is on his 3rd OC in 3 years. It's not that uncommon.

And, I don't recall the OL looking so awful when Colt (even Kirk) were playing QB.


Rivers went through a long time period where he was developed. Rivers was considered a bust at one point, but the Chargers stuck with him. Rivers in his 3rd year was not a franchise QB. Is it fair to compare a 3rd year QB to a 10 year vet?

Rivers went through a long time period where he was developed. Rivers was considered a bust at one point, but the Chargers stuck with him. Rivers in his 3rd year was not a franchise QB. Is it fair to compare a 3rd year QB to a 10 year vet?


Rivers played behind drew brees for two years and was a pro bowler in his first or second year starting. Never really looked back.

I like everyone else wish for Dan Snyder to sell the team. But that's never gonna have a chance of happening unless fans can get in his pocket by not buying merchandise, not coming to games, not buying his expired beer, etc... Lots of people talk a big talk but if we as fans all banded together and said "no more", changes could happen.

Rivers played behind drew brees for two years and was a pro bowler in his first or second year starting. Never really looked back.

He had a couple red shirt years. That seems to be a common theme (i.e. discount double check)

The changes aren't radical from Kyle to McVay either

I'm not saying the OL's been great. But I'm pretty tired of the blame always been shifted to them.

For fuck's sake, Robert your the anointed (even self-anointed) franchise QB of one of the most storied organizations in pro sports history, the team mortgaged a huge chunk of its future for you? Is that your fault? No, but so what. Life is not fair. Get the fuck over yourself and man up. And if you can't, if the problem is that after all the effort and hard work you're putting you're still not grasping it then it's time to move the fuck on. Fucking A

Love Robert.....really hope he can grasp the situation and rise to the occasion for many reasons. BUT...time will tell. And if it's"move on time", then so be it

If Gruden going to be the coach and he feel Robert not the answer, we need to be looking in the draft for a qb. All three of these guys are not the answer! Qb and o-line is want they need to be looking for! Let Gruden get the one he want, so it's no more not my guy! This guy got 4 more years so let's built it around his style!

Anyway why is it Alfred Morris's success is tied to RG3 being behind center? If the o-line was decent then it shouldn't matter who's handing the ball off to Morris. O-line ain't squat. RG3 needs to work on the things Gruden says, but hell Cousins did all the right footwork and threw 4 picks in one game. That footwork excuse is bogus. Cousins does all the right things but the QB position throws the damn game away when he is on the field. Stay the course and be patient.

BTW Somebody need to call Ryan Clark out. WTF is he doing, he should be straight up cut.

You said he was too arrogant to admit that he f*cked up. Those quotes show otherwise.

And it's interesting that you brought up cherry-picking, given that this whole "controversy" came about because some dumbsh*t media members and fans cherrypicked the "calling out" quotes that started the whole thing. Griffin never really criticized anybody, I took it more as him wanting accountability. Kaepernick earlier this year flat out said that his offensive line needed to play better; Griffin said nothing like that.


And you and Chico say that the great QBs don't say anything like Griffin did. Allow me to "cherry-pick" some quotes from a press conference by one Tom Brady.

"It was just a bad performance by everybody..."

"The guys who have opportunities to make plays, we’ve got to make them. That’s me, certainly, and skill players and we’ve got to do more on first down"

"I mean I think there’s not much that we’re doing well enough on a consistent basis to score points. Run game, pass game, consistently when we have to throw it, when we have to run it, convert on third down, red area, it’s all a problem."

"I think it’s not necessarily one position, it’s all positions."(talking about the team needing to do a better job)

"I mean, I think certainly running the ball and stopping the run is important to the physical toughness of the team. You just lose control of the game and it becomes one-dimensional like it did there in the third quarter and we stopped running it."(Patriots couldn't stop the run in this game)

"It’s not one posititon on offense, it’s everybody and certainly the play-makers that we have and the skill guys, we’ve all got to make plays."

And let's not forget the famous quote by Manning: "Idiot kicker." The truth is that sooner or later, just about every QB will, out of frustration, say something about the performance of otgers on the team and, let's face it, they are always the ones up at the podium being asked to comment on all aspects of the game (along with the HC).

I think RGIII took his share of the blame, and he also expects that his teammates to perform better and I don't fault him for saying it. And the way he phrased it -- "I need the guys to play better" -- struck me as a lot less offensive than the way it has been phrased by other QBs. The social media postings bug me, but about as much as a gnat. Who cares? Just focus on getting the job done.

I also thought that Gruden was refreshingly blunt, and I rather liked it. But the key is how the team responds. Some hardass coaches could be that way and the guys responded well. One of my favorite quotes about Vince Lombardi from one of his players: "Yeah, Coach Lombardi is great. He treats us all the same. He treats us like dogs." He could be hard on guys, and he was also like a father to them at the same time. And he got results. I don't see Gruden likely being able to pull that off, but maybe he's got a little Chuckie in him after all.

I just hope they come out this weekend pissed off and ready to rip someone's head off. Would be a nice change.

He had a couple red shirt years. That seems to be a common theme (i.e. discount double check)


Yeah so did Steve Young. When you are talking about Montana, Favre, and Brees there is no shame in being "redshirted". Also does not mean those guys couldnt have played sooner.

You can add Russell Wilson to that list too -- didn't start until his second year. It seems that in today's NFL, very few guys can come out as rookies and really perform at a high level -- Luck is a rare exception. But most either start slowly or sit for a year or more before taking the reins and executing. Obviously, Shanahan thought RGIII could be one of those rare exceptions, and for at least the second half of 2012, he appeared to be correct. But between the injury, being rushed back, and some regression, RGIII isn't close to what you'd like to see in your third year starter.

Can he get there? Maybe -- I don't think anyone really knows. He has incredible physical gifts, and I believe him to be a hard worker and smart. Those things suggest he can, but surely don't guarantee it -- the position is that hard. Having said all that, clearly the rest of this season will be designed to test that proposition, and by season's end, we'll have a better idea (and perhaps even a conclusive answer -- surely we will know if he isn't the guy).