Jay Gruden you are our only hope

What do expect from a qb that has had 2 offensive coordinators, 2 major injuries and a terrible O-Line?

The OC and OL excuses are tired

You have cherry-picked quotes out of context. In context, what you find is him calling out others, too. And, given what I've seen and heard, I'm not sure that those moments when RGIII does appear to be self-critical are sincere.

Chico is right. You can't be an NFL QB and talk like RGIII. Manning, Rodgers, Brees, and Brady publicly criticize ONLY themselves. And, perhaps more importantly, they take their self-criticism seriously.

RGIII is smart enough to fix all of his problems, begging the question of why he hasn't done so. The best apparent answer to this question is that he is too arrogant to truly, sincerely admit his shortcomings, much less fix them. He appears to be the Lavar Arrington of QB's: too full of himself to play within someone else's system.

I have staunchly supported RGIII but my respect for him has taken a hard knock this week.

You said he was too arrogant to admit that he f*cked up. Those quotes show otherwise.

And it's interesting that you brought up cherry-picking, given that this whole "controversy" came about because some dumbsh*t media members and fans cherrypicked the "calling out" quotes that started the whole thing. Griffin never really criticized anybody, I took it more as him wanting accountability. Kaepernick earlier this year flat out said that his offensive line needed to play better; Griffin said nothing like that.


And you and Chico say that the great QBs don't say anything like Griffin did. Allow me to "cherry-pick" some quotes from a press conference by one Tom Brady.

"It was just a bad performance by everybody..."

"The guys who have opportunities to make plays, we’ve got to make them. That’s me, certainly, and skill players and we’ve got to do more on first down"

"I mean I think there’s not much that we’re doing well enough on a consistent basis to score points. Run game, pass game, consistently when we have to throw it, when we have to run it, convert on third down, red area, it’s all a problem."

"I think it’s not necessarily one position, it’s all positions."(talking about the team needing to do a better job)

"I mean, I think certainly running the ball and stopping the run is important to the physical toughness of the team. You just lose control of the game and it becomes one-dimensional like it did there in the third quarter and we stopped running it."(Patriots couldn't stop the run in this game)

"It’s not one posititon on offense, it’s everybody and certainly the play-makers that we have and the skill guys, we’ve all got to make plays."

You said he was too arrogant to admit that he f*cked up. Those quotes show otherwise.

And it's interesting that you brought up cherry-picking, given that this whole "controversy" came about because some dumbsh*t media members and fans cherrypicked the "calling out" quotes that started the whole thing. Griffin never really criticized anybody, I took it more as him wanting accountability. Kaepernick earlier this year flat out said that his offensive line needed to play better; Griffin said nothing like that.


And you and Chico say that the great QBs don't say anything like Griffin did. Allow me to "cherry-pick" some quotes from a press conference by one Tom Brady.

"It was just a bad performance by everybody..."

"The guys who have opportunities to make plays, we’ve got to make them. That’s me, certainly, and skill players and we’ve got to do more on first down"

"I mean I think there’s not much that we’re doing well enough on a consistent basis to score points. Run game, pass game, consistently when we have to throw it, when we have to run it, convert on third down, red area, it’s all a problem."

"I think it’s not necessarily one position, it’s all positions."(talking about the team needing to do a better job)

"I mean, I think certainly running the ball and stopping the run is important to the physical toughness of the team. You just lose control of the game and it becomes one-dimensional like it did there in the third quarter and we stopped running it."(Patriots couldn't stop the run in this game)

"It’s not one posititon on offense, it’s everybody and certainly the play-makers that we have and the skill guys, we’ve all got to make plays."

In context, what your quotes show is that RGIII is given to insincerity.

The OC and OL excuses are tired

I agree.

The OC and OL excuses are tired

Of course they are tired. We havent had a decent OL since the hogs and have dealt with the coaching carousel for almost as long. They are very tired, they are 20 years old.

However, none of that makes them invalid. Not having a good OL is detrimental to the team, which is pretty widely understood and accepted. Constantly changing systems, which by nature means constantly changing players to fit your scheme, is also detrimental to the team, which is pretty widely understood and accepted.

If people only started complaining about the OL and coaching carousel since RG3 arrived, then they havent been paying attention the last 2 decades.

You said he was too arrogant to admit that he f*cked up. Those quotes show otherwise.

And it's interesting that you brought up cherry-picking, given that this whole "controversy" came about because some dumbsh*t media members and fans cherrypicked the "calling out" quotes that started the whole thing. Griffin never really criticized anybody, I took it more as him wanting accountability. Kaepernick earlier this year flat out said that his offensive line needed to play better; Griffin said nothing like that.


And you and Chico say that the great QBs don't say anything like Griffin did. Allow me to "cherry-pick" some quotes from a press conference by one Tom Brady.

"It was just a bad performance by everybody..."

"The guys who have opportunities to make plays, we’ve got to make them. That’s me, certainly, and skill players and we’ve got to do more on first down"

"I mean I think there’s not much that we’re doing well enough on a consistent basis to score points. Run game, pass game, consistently when we have to throw it, when we have to run it, convert on third down, red area, it’s all a problem."

"I think it’s not necessarily one position, it’s all positions."(talking about the team needing to do a better job)

"I mean, I think certainly running the ball and stopping the run is important to the physical toughness of the team. You just lose control of the game and it becomes one-dimensional like it did there in the third quarter and we stopped running it."(Patriots couldn't stop the run in this game)

"It’s not one posititon on offense, it’s everybody and certainly the play-makers that we have and the skill guys, we’ve all got to make plays."

Another thing is RG3's bodily language during the presser. His expressions, he is wide eyed at times, and generally defensive. Which is a terrible look for a guy not taking responsibility.

And the fact he runs home and post on twitter and facebook rather than speak directly.

And comparing Tom Brady and RG3 really doesnt make sense at this point.

You have cherry-picked quotes out of context. In context, what you find is him calling out others, too. And, given what I've seen and heard, I'm not sure that those moments when RGIII does appear to be self-critical are sincere.

Chico is right. You can't be an NFL QB and talk like RGIII. Manning, Rodgers, Brees, and Brady publicly criticize ONLY themselves. And, perhaps more importantly, they take their self-criticism seriously.

RGIII is smart enough to fix all of his problems, begging the question of why he hasn't done so. The best apparent answer to this question is that he is too arrogant to truly, sincerely admit his shortcomings, much less fix them. He appears to be the Lavar Arrington of QB's: too full of himself to play within someone else's system.

I have staunchly supported RGIII but my respect for him has taken a hard knock this week.


Santana Moss called out RG3 last year for this too. My problem is its happening again. He should know better.

But see, now we are talking about this bs and not the fact RG3 doesnt know where to go with the ball when the defense checks into cover 2.

Another thing is RG3's bodily language during the presser. His expressions, he is wide eyed at times, and generally defensive. Which is a terrible look for a guy not taking responsibility.

And the fact he runs home and post on twitter and facebook rather than speak directly.

And comparing Tom Brady and RG3 really doesnt make sense at this point.

What, comparing Griffin to Peyton Manning makes sense, but comparing him to Brady doesn't?

I agree.

Rivers is on his 3rd OC in 3 years. It's not that uncommon.

And, I don't recall the OL looking so awful when Colt (even Kirk) were playing QB.

Another thing is RG3's bodily language during the presser. His expressions, he is wide eyed at times, and generally defensive. Which is a terrible look for a guy not taking responsibility.



And the fact he runs home and post on twitter and facebook rather than speak directly.



And comparing Tom Brady and RG3 really doesnt make sense at this point.


Speaking of a terrible look...
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/11/18/55c1f98941f3784ecf078f97b3e819ed.jpg
Wtf with that hat?