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Avinash_Tyagi 11-18-2014, 10:20 AM Seriously? Both of you? How is it Jay's fault that he was strapped with a shit DC leftover from Shanny's regime? How come he's overridden on QB calls on who to play? Why is Gruden getting the blame for Robert's progress? Maybe Jay is teaching him, but he isn't learning shit?
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He's being taught properly. It's the QB not doing what he's supposed to do which is the problem.
I will agree with you Matty that Jay probably shouldn't be this upfront in his press conferences. He should take notes from BB on how to do them.
No gotta disagree
Gruden can't keep discipline in his team, and he doesn't seem to be capable to making adjustments to improve the team's play.
He seems to think that all he needs to do is tell his players to do something and they'll do it.
This unending drama would have never happened under Gibbs
I don't think Gruden is the long term answer as head coach (3 seasons and out I think)
Schneed10 11-18-2014, 10:35 AM Seriously? Both of you? How is it Jay's fault that he was strapped with a shit DC leftover from Shanny's regime? How come he's overridden on QB calls on who to play? Why is Gruden getting the blame for Robert's progress? Maybe Jay is teaching him, but he isn't learning shit?
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He's being taught properly. It's the QB not doing what he's supposed to do which is the problem.
I will agree with you Matty that Jay probably shouldn't be this upfront in his press conferences. He should take notes from BB on how to do them.
How do you explain Pierre Garcon going from one of the most reliable receivers in the NFL under the Shanahans to a complete after thought under Gruden? How do you explain the lack of improvement in special teams despite the obvious investment in them in the form of special teams specialists? How do you explain the lack of discipline with penalties, lining up wrong, receivers false starting on their own QB's hard count?
And Cousins. How do you explain him throwing countless INTs? Is he being careless, sure. But his coaches sure didn't make a positive impact.
This crap can't all be on Griffin. It's systemic. Gruden needs to show why he was hired and take this team by the balls and lead it. Like really lead it. He needs to be acting like Bill Parcells if someone pissed in his coffee.
SFREDSKIN 11-18-2014, 11:33 AM This post is so so poor, I think its the worse thing Ive ever seen on the board. So RG3 needs to go to a run and shoot team like Denver or New England? jesus christ what an idiot. He sounds like a college football fan.
The problem we are facing is that atheleticism will never hid poor fundemental passing concepts for a QB. Its been proven time and time again.
What I was getting at was that Shanahan had him playing the spread cause he was familiar with it and had a hard time learning the WCO, which he still does, as well as the pocket presence.
Chico23231 11-18-2014, 12:04 PM What I was getting at was that Shanahan had him playing the spread cause he was familiar with it and had a hard time learning the WCO, which he still does, as well as the pocket presence.
Well he needs to recognize defenses too and where you go with the ball. These are the differences in a garbage Baylor, texas am and tcu schemes vs a pro style Stanford team. You want a QB who knows the basics coming out. The thing with RG3 is seems like a smart, hard worker, and high character guy who could be coached to learn how to become a pocket passer.
But he seems to be more worried about social media and not taking the responsibility for the teams poor play. I dont ever want to see RG3 do that again at a press conference when he deflects responsibilty. Its year 3, no more of that shit.
You see Peyton at the podium after the loss against St. Louis? Thats why that dude wins and has the support of every team he's ever been on. Peyton put that loss all on him. RG3 needs to man the fuck up and do the same.
SirLK26 11-18-2014, 12:06 PM You are right. In fact,Griffin essentially sacks himself. By holding the ball as he does, realistically he often says, "Please sack me."
The fact that, after sacking himself repeatedly, he still called out other players made me lose respect for RGIII, and I am one of his backers. You can't call out others like that because you are too arrogant to admit that you f***ed up.
No wonder his development is so stunted. No matter how hard you work, it is hard to improve if you spend your time admiring your reflection.
“All the sacks are on me, period."
"When I say, ‘All the sacks on are me,’ I’m saying I can do better and I have to do better."
"I will be the first to say I could have done better, a lot better.”
"I didn’t see the field as well as I would have liked to."
"I am not playing that way[at a high level]..."
"I haven’t watched the film yet but I know there are some plays that I would like to have back – of course the interceptions, and there are a couple of plays that come to mind where I feel like I could have been more aggressive. Those plays are in my head. They will stay in my head..."
"I promise you that I will get better."
punch it in 11-18-2014, 12:08 PM Well he needs to recognize defenses too and where you go with the ball. These are the differences in a garbage Baylor, texas am and tcu schemes vs a pro style Stanford team. You want a QB who knows the basics coming out. The thing with RG3 is seems like a smart, hard worker, and high character guy who could be coached to learn how to become a pocket passer.
But he seems to be more worried about social media and not taking the responsibility for the teams poor play. I dont ever want to see RG3 do that again at a press conference when he deflects responsibilty. Its year 3, no more of that shit.
You see Peyton at the podium after the loss against St. Louis? Thats why that dude wins and has the support of every team he's ever been on. Peyton put that loss all on him. RG3 needs to man the fuck up and do the same.
Wish it was that easy. I agree with everything you say except, and its a big except, i do not think Griff can be that QB. He is not even close to being that qb. Not even close.
punch it in 11-18-2014, 12:11 PM “All the sacks are on me, period."
"When I say, ‘All the sacks on are me,’ I’m saying I can do better and I have to do better."
"I will be the first to say I could have done better, a lot better.”
"I didn’t see the field as well as I would have liked to."
"I am not playing that way[at a high level]..."
"I haven’t watched the film yet but I know there are some plays that I would like to have back – of course the interceptions, and there are a couple of plays that come to mind where I feel like I could have been more aggressive. Those plays are in my head. They will stay in my head..."
"I promise you that I will get better."
Yup. Its funny. I have absolutely no idea why people get on Griff for what he says. I think he is very humble, modest, and mature. I do not think he deflects blame. I think his words are often misconstrued. Problem is words dont win games. Play wins games. Unfortunately that is something imo that is terribly lacking. Not his damn tweets. Who gives a shit about his effin tweets.
Lotus 11-18-2014, 12:26 PM “All the sacks are on me, period."
"When I say, ‘All the sacks on are me,’ I’m saying I can do better and I have to do better."
"I will be the first to say I could have done better, a lot better.”
"I didn’t see the field as well as I would have liked to."
"I am not playing that way[at a high level]..."
"I haven’t watched the film yet but I know there are some plays that I would like to have back – of course the interceptions, and there are a couple of plays that come to mind where I feel like I could have been more aggressive. Those plays are in my head. They will stay in my head..."
"I promise you that I will get better."
You have cherry-picked quotes out of context. In context, what you find is him calling out others, too. And, given what I've seen and heard, I'm not sure that those moments when RGIII does appear to be self-critical are sincere.
Chico is right. You can't be an NFL QB and talk like RGIII. Manning, Rodgers, Brees, and Brady publicly criticize ONLY themselves. And, perhaps more importantly, they take their self-criticism seriously.
RGIII is smart enough to fix all of his problems, begging the question of why he hasn't done so. The best apparent answer to this question is that he is too arrogant to truly, sincerely admit his shortcomings, much less fix them. He appears to be the Lavar Arrington of QB's: too full of himself to play within someone else's system.
I have staunchly supported RGIII but my respect for him has taken a hard knock this week.
tc2deuce 11-18-2014, 12:37 PM What do expect from a qb that has had 2 offensive coordinators, 2 major injuries and a terrible O-Line?
KI Skins Fan 11-18-2014, 12:40 PM “All the sacks are on me, period."
"When I say, ‘All the sacks on are me,’ I’m saying I can do better and I have to do better."
"I will be the first to say I could have done better, a lot better.”
"I didn’t see the field as well as I would have liked to."
"I am not playing that way[at a high level]..."
"I haven’t watched the film yet but I know there are some plays that I would like to have back – of course the interceptions, and there are a couple of plays that come to mind where I feel like I could have been more aggressive. Those plays are in my head. They will stay in my head..."
"I promise you that I will get better."
Unfortunately, he also had some words to say about his teammates and what he said about them seemed to me to be an indirect way of placing some of the blame on them. Don't get me wrong; his teammates do share in the blame, but when you are the starting QB, people take it poorly when there is any hint of blaming others in what you say.
It has always been this way in the NFL. The QB gets too much credit and too much blame. The QB also makes the big bucks and he can quickly stir up resentment among his teammates if he isn't careful about what he says about them.
He simply needs to confine his comments to his own play to avoid problems.
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