Jay Gruden you are our only hope

Lol... No...



That first year, Packers fan were booing Rodgers and calling for Favre to be brought back. The Packers fans werent happy about 6-10 at all. They started to give Rodgers a chance about half way through his second starting season. They didnt forget about Favre until the SB.


Summer before his first starting season I remember he was caught in the crossfire of favre leaving. That first year - he LIT IT UP. They might have been booing the team but im not so sure it was directed at Rodgers. Either way my point was (stupid fans or not) he was an immediate success once he took over. Again - over 4,000 yards and 28 td's.

Given that Brady is one of the greatest of all time, I could say that Brees sucks compared to Brady, and its not a far fetched statement. Saying one QB sucks when he is compared to Brady because he is lacking something is down right stupid.

If any of you actually thought at any time that RG3 was the next Brady, you are clearly lacking when it comes to football. I have defended RG3 plenty and have never once in my life thought he would be the next Tom Brady. I dont even know why that comparison is being made.

For as shitty as you guys call RG3, had we had Seattles defense and RG3 played absolutely no different, you would be calling him the franchise savior. Since 20 points with that defense wins 80-90% of the time. With our defense, 20 points loses more often than not. So no different play and a dominant defense completely changes almost everyones opinion of him. I know... I know... Defense doesnt matter, only the QB.

Btw, That NE team was light years ahead of ours in terms of talent across the board. Remember Belicheks early defenses. They were down right nasty. I know... I know... Defense doesnt matter, only the QB.


You are talking about defense. The Skins D could have only given up 10 points and still lost because the offence only scored 7. They got 0 points in the 2nd half, is that on the D?? And that TD was a 5 yard pass, back to the LoS, that Hulu ran for 25 additional yards. The Texan game was even worse, 6 points. That loss on the D, too?

The only thing he can hit is 15 yards and less. He stares down a WR so the safety covers him, then goes right to the checkdown. Is that a Defensive problem? You think that is a coaching problem? You think the coaches have not addressed this?

And you are assuming he can't.

I am assuming nothing, I can see what is on the field.

And you are assuming he can't.


No im not. Not at all. Im simply saying that he might not pan out even with whatever is considered proper development. My point being that what we are seeing might be ....well what we will continue to see. A superb athlete - oft injured - that doesnt appear to be a good passing qb.
Lets not turn this into a RG-3 hater vs apologist bologna argument. To a man every single person onthis board - scratch that - every single Redskins fan in the world would be just tickled pink to see Griff pay off and lead this team for years to come at a high level.
However since none of us have a crystal ball we can only base what we think will happen on what we are seeing happen. To say he only needs to be developed properly is discounting the fact that he has to first have that ability inside him. He might and he might not, but ill be damned if im going to sit here believing he does based on his play so far this year.

You are talking about defense. The Skins D could have only given up 10 points and still lost because the offence only scored 7. They got 0 points in the 2nd half, is that on the D?? And that TD was a 5 yard pass, back to the LoS, that Hulu ran for 25 additional yards. The Texan game was even worse, 6 points. That loss on the D, too?

The only thing he can hit is 15 yards and less. He stares down a WR so the safety covers him, then goes right to the checkdown. Is that a Defensive problem? You think that is a coaching problem? You think the coaches have not addressed this?

You are talking about 2 games. How many times have we scored, I dont know, 26 points only to give up two 4th quarter TD's by a rookie QB and lose by 3. Yeah that just happened against Minny. And of course, its all RG3's fault because defense doesnt matter. Of course he did hit some things over 15 yards in that game. The Houston game JJ Watt was in the backfield as much as our RB's were. Quick passes became the plan pretty early on in that game. You keep claiming that you are watching but seem to miss some pretty basic stuff.

Here's an excellent RGIII assessment from a Baylor fan:

Like I have said before. He is a spread quarterback playing in a west coast offense. It does not fit him. He needs to go to a place that runs the true spread. Not the read option, but a run and shoot style spread. That is the bases of our offense here at Baylor. He would understand those concepts and elements better. There is too much of a thought process that goes on with the west coast especially the one hat both Gruden's run. Not only do you have to read the defense, but you have to regurgitate ridiculously long plays that tells everyone what to do; you have to time your drop back with the routes, receivers have to run predetermined routes, and you have about 5 reads. He has to do all this on top of having an offensive line not built to pass protect. He does have issues holding the ball to long. He needs to just let a rip; but honestly he wasn't ready to carry a bad organization. People put to much on him and in fairness he put way to much on himself. I think he was feeling himself just a little, but not as much as it was portrayed; after winning the Heisman and then rookie of the year. He probably thought that he would be able to handle saving a dismal organization. But many great qbs don't have to. As bad as the Colts were people forget the year before they tanked that they made it to the second round of the playoffs. Indy top to bottom was a solid organization when Andrew went there. To make it even more easier on him, the colts brought in his offensive coordinator from Sanford, so he is practically 7 years into the offense that he is directing. He is comfortable because he knows it in and out. That was not the case for Rob. And many would say well the Shanahan's installed the read option for Robert to get him comfortable so that's a wash. No they didn't. Many don't understand that Rob didn't run a read option offense in college. Art Briles offense is not a read option offense. It is a run and shoot hybrid offense with receivers running option routes versus the way the defense is lined up. Quarterback and receivers on the fly determine where to go with the ball and what route to run based on coverage. And there for the pass opens up the run. If you look at stats except for his freshman year Rob didn't run the ball for more than 650 in a season. That was on par with Luck at Stanford. The Shanahan's used Nevada's offensive formation (read option) Rob's rookie year. I know this is long but I am passionate about my bears and seeing them do well in all their endeavors. He needs a change of scenery particularly in a place that has a small media market with a solid organization top to bottom from players, coaches, front office, and owner. He needs a place that runs a spread offense that allows him to make easier pre snap adjustments without heavy progressions and verbiage and will allow him to get in a rythym becaus he is a rythym thrower. And preferably a place where he can sit behind a veteran qb for a couple of years, rest his body, and learn. A place where he doesn't have to be the guy. Denver is a small market city that meet these criterias. New England as well. In fact they have a rookie qb behind Tom Brady that ran our offense for Coach Babers at Eastern Illinois. That's how closely aligned the Patriots offense is with ours. It's not as eccentric and elaborate as ours (there is only one Coach Briles and one Baylor offense) but it is a run and shoot offense so it embodies the same base principals.
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Gruden's team was completely unprepared yesterday. And as for the matter of Griffin, his poor development falls at the feet of the head coach, like it or not. He was brought in to get Robert going in the right direction. He's going in the wrong direction.

I'm completely unimpressed by Jay Gruden.



Agreed, kinda odd how little heat he's getting. He hasn't done anything to have our support or faith.



Seriously? Both of you? How is it Jay's fault that he was strapped with a shit DC leftover from Shanny's regime? How come he's overridden on QB calls on who to play? Why is Gruden getting the blame for Robert's progress? Maybe Jay is teaching him, but he isn't learning shit?

Drama returns to Redskins Park - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/13018/drama-returns-to-redskins-park)

“Robert had some fundamental flaws,” Gruden said of Griffin’s game Sunday in a 27-7 loss to Tampa Bay. “His footwork was below average. He took three-step drops when he should have taken five. He took a one-step drop when he should have taken three, on a couple occasions, and that can’t happen. He stepped up when he didn’t have to step up and stepped into pressure. He read the wrong side of the field a couple times. So from his basic performance just critiquing Robert it was not even close to being good enough to what we expect from the quarterback position.”


He's being taught properly. It's the QB not doing what he's supposed to do which is the problem.

I will agree with you Matty that Jay probably shouldn't be this upfront in his press conferences. He should take notes from BB on how to do them.

If Jay Gruden is your only hope, give up.. This team has played like crap under him.

If Jay Gruden is your only hope, give up.. This team has played like crap under him.


As opposed to last year when they played ....wait a minute - nevermind. Since when does a coach get 10 games to prove himself. Especially when he inherited an absolute disaster and has had to use three different qb's.

I have always wondered what people are thinking when they say that we are such a terrible team that no coach could succeed with this cast. Only to then turn around and claim the coach to be the problem while acting like our team is loaded with talent. Comparing our talent to Az is laughable, especially that defense. Would a single player on our defense even be able to start for them?

Its like cutting a tomato in half and wondering why you dont get half an apple and half a watermelon.

Pssst....they got a whole bunch of scrubs starting for them with Abraham, Dockett and Washington out. They are a well coached team not stacked with over paid under achievers. Coaching plus drafting plus good front office equals wins.