Jay Gruden you are our only hope

That's why I say start the 3rd rounders, let's see what they can do. Leribus is probably better than Lauvao and Long is smart and plays with a chip in his shoulder, something Chester lacks.

But but but what if they don't play well and we lose?

:Flush:

Are we really talking head coach change again?? Vince Lombardi himself could come out of the grave, and he would go 5-11 with this dysfunctional organization.

Exactly, It Literally Doesn't Matter Who The Coach is. Dan Snyder has cursed this team

Notice how you said good QB's and not developing QB's. No one is arguing that Tom Brady cant make his OL better. We are saying Tom Brady would be no where near as good today if he was under constant pressure and had to rely on faking out a DE and running himself in his first couple of years.



Aaron Rodgers... You really should listen to people in the know about how terrible his footwork and technique were early on. He was a Tedford disciple. The hold the football above your ear when dropping back technique. Some people associated with GB at the time said Rodgers would have busted as bad as Ryan Leaf if he had to play as a rookie. Even Rodgers first year as a starter was not impressive, and he was 4 or 5 years into the league at that point.



Rodgers can make a bad OL look good... now... after his development. That says nothing about developing a QB though. If they arent developed properly, they arent making a bad OL look good, except maybe RG3 as a rookie with an offense designed with no thought of actually developing him.



Development matters... I still cant understand how most think its completely unimportant.


You are COMPLETELY ASSUMING that Griff is able to be developed. That he has what it takes to be developed. Brady, Rodgers, All these great qb's have what it takes to be great for years with consistency. Do you atleast acknowledge the fact that Griff might not?
Edit: Rodgers passed for over 4,000 yards and threw 28 td's with 13 int's his first year starting.

You are COMPLETELY ASSUMING that Griff is able to be developed. That he has what it takes to be developed. Brady, Rodgers, All these great qb's have what it takes to be great for years with consistency. Do you atleast acknowledge the fact that Griff might not?
Edit: Rodgers passed for over 4,000 yards and threw 28 td's with 13 int's his first year starting.


Brady's 1st year stating he went to the Pro Bowl and lead the Pats to a SuperBowl win.

I mean,I am sure RG3 is right there at that level, too. :silly:

You are COMPLETELY ASSUMING that Griff is able to be developed. That he has what it takes to be developed. Brady, Rodgers, All these great qb's have what it takes to be great for years with consistency. Do you atleast acknowledge the fact that Griff might not?
Edit: Rodgers passed for over 4,000 yards and threw 28 td's with 13 int's his first year starting.

Its always completely assumed that a QB can be developed, just like you are assuming that given the right parts around him, Griffin would bust. Peyton Manning had a ton of doubters coming out of college with huge amounts of people saying Ryan Leaf would be better, but there were some that assumed he could be developed. It was also completely assumed that Ryan Leaf could be developed.

The fact is, unless its done properly, you will never know. Is it possible that Griffin was never going to be a good QB? Sure its possible. Something being possible doesnt mean much when assuming since the exact opposite could also be possible. If we are going to deal in possibilities and assumptions, then we should resign sexy rexy. After all, he was a starter in the SB, so him making the SB as a starter... is possible.

Btw... The record of the packers was 6-10 in Rodgers' first year. Since most dont think any other position matters and win/loss record completely falls on the QB, Rodgers had a bad first year starting (4th year in the league) by the standards that keep being presented to me.

Its always completely assumed that a QB can be developed, just like you are assuming that given the right parts around him, Griffin would bust. Peyton Manning had a ton of doubters coming out of college with huge amounts of people saying Ryan Leaf would be better, but there were some that assumed he could be developed. It was also completely assumed that Ryan Leaf could be developed.



The fact is, unless its done properly, you will never know. Is it possible that Griffin was never going to be a good QB? Sure its possible. Something being possible doesnt mean much when assuming since the exact opposite could also be possible. If we are going to deal in possibilities and assumptions, then we should resign sexy rexy. After all, he was a starter in the SB, so him making the SB as a starter... is possible.



Btw... The record of the packers was 6-10 in Rodgers' first year. Since most dont think any other position matters and win/loss record completely falls on the QB, Rodgers had a bad first year starting (4th year in the league) by the standards that keep being presented to me.


Come on man....they forgot about Favre almost overnite. Also im not assuming Griff wont succeed with the rite pieces around him. Im just calling it like I see it rite now as it stands. Rite now he isnt playing well. I have no idea if the organization or the man can fix that. My gut says no, but we will see.

We never should have fired Marty Shottenheimer, he went 8-8 with starting the season terrible, he had a solid resume, only getting 1 season was asinine.

Brady's 1st year stating he went to the Pro Bowl and lead the Pats to a SuperBowl win.

I mean,I am sure RG3 is right there at that level, too. :silly:

Given that Brady is one of the greatest of all time, I could say that Brees sucks compared to Brady, and its not a far fetched statement. Saying one QB sucks when he is compared to Brady because he is lacking something is down right stupid.

If any of you actually thought at any time that RG3 was the next Brady, you are clearly lacking when it comes to football. I have defended RG3 plenty and have never once in my life thought he would be the next Tom Brady. I dont even know why that comparison is being made.

For as shitty as you guys call RG3, had we had Seattles defense and RG3 played absolutely no different, you would be calling him the franchise savior. Since 20 points with that defense wins 80-90% of the time. With our defense, 20 points loses more often than not. So no different play and a dominant defense completely changes almost everyones opinion of him. I know... I know... Defense doesnt matter, only the QB.

Btw, That NE team was light years ahead of ours in terms of talent across the board. Remember Belicheks early defenses. They were down right nasty. I know... I know... Defense doesnt matter, only the QB.

Come on man....they forgot about Favre almost overnite. Also im not assuming Griff wont succeed with the rite pieces around him. Im just calling it like I see it rite now as it stands. Rite now he isnt playing well. I have no idea if the organization or the man can fix that. My gut says no, but we will see.

Lol... No...

That first year, Packers fan were booing Rodgers and calling for Favre to be brought back. The Packers fans werent happy about 6-10 at all. They started to give Rodgers a chance about half way through his second starting season. They didnt forget about Favre until the SB.

You are COMPLETELY ASSUMING that Griff is able to be developed. That he has what it takes to be developed. Brady, Rodgers, All these great qb's have what it takes to be great for years with consistency. Do you atleast acknowledge the fact that Griff might not?
Edit: Rodgers passed for over 4,000 yards and threw 28 td's with 13 int's his first year starting.

And you are assuming he can't.