Expectations for the rest of the season...

I hope this doesnt come as a shock but its going to take longer than 5 years to fix this mess.


Lol. Probably but my point was just that the first year headcoach facing basically the same mess that the established one did should be afforded the same honeymoon period.

Lol. Probably but my point was just that the first year headcoach facing basically the same mess that the established one did should be afforded the same honeymoon period.

Without a doubt one of the top 2 reasons the Skins are such a mess is the coaching carousel. They showed on tv on Sun that the Skins have had 7 coaches since Y2K. Its impossible to ever establish any kind of consistency when the system is changing so often. Successful teams dont change coaches every couple of years.

Lol. Probably but my point was just that the first year headcoach facing basically the same mess that the established one did should be afforded the same honeymoon period.

NFW! I'm too old for this shit. I might die before we become winners. At this point in my life, I wouldn't give Belichick more than two years.

BTW, the established NFL HC has earned a longer contract than the rookie because he has proven he can do the job, whereas the rookie has not yet proven himself as an NFL HC. That's why so many companies have probationary periods for new hires.

Also shouldnt the polished superbowl winning coach be able to turn garbage into gold sooner than the rook? So again Shanny - the accomplished and polished super bowl winner needed five years to fix things. Gruden who inherited as big a pile of crap Shanny did is supposed to do it in ten weeks? Makes no sense.

Absolutely agree. What is going to be accomplished by firing Gruden after one year and not fixing anything else?

Without a doubt one of the top 2 reasons the Skins are such a mess is the coaching carousel. They showed on tv on Sun that the Skins have had 7 coaches since Y2K. Its impossible to ever establish any kind of consistency when the system is changing so often. Successful teams dont change coaches every couple of years.

Absolutely. While coaches do tend to have some say in talent options, ultimately, they have to coach the talent the front office brings in. So, in my opinion, if anything needs constant change until the right people are in the right positions, it should be the front office. The coach deserves at least two seasons. If there are no signs of improvement in season two, then can him. But to throw all of this at the feet of Jay Gruden, and the first season isn't even over yet, is a bit ridiculous. Sure, he shoulders the blame, he's the head coach. But, if he is to be fired after just one season, then the owner had better send pink slips to the rest of the coaches, the front office staff, the waterboy, the trainers, Skinsguy, everybody! Because 15 years of constant losing (save for a season or two) is more than an issue with the head coach. I understand that the front office is not the same front office as to when Vinny Cerrato was here, but other than the money part of player contracts, the product has not improved at all.

And just like what Brian Mitchell said, until the fans stop supporting this team by throwing their hard earned money at this mess, the message is never going to get through to the owner. It is about time the fans demand a better product, not just hope for it.

Let Gruden have a year to draft and build.
Let Griffin play this year and see if he develops in the pocket.
Lets get a safety who can replace Clark for effective safety play.
Lets stop making each game a melodramatic teen adventure series and let the professional players and coaches take this time to pursue their craft.

Absolutely. While coaches do tend to have some say in talent options, ultimately, they have to coach the talent the front office brings in. So, in my opinion, if anything needs constant change until the right people are in the right positions, it should be the front office. The coach deserves at least two seasons. If there are no signs of improvement in season two, then can him. But to throw all of this at the feet of Jay Gruden, and the first season isn't even over yet, is a bit ridiculous. Sure, he shoulders the blame, he's the head coach. But, if he is to be fired after just one season, then the owner had better send pink slips to the rest of the coaches, the front office staff, the waterboy, the trainers, Skinsguy, everybody! Because 15 years of constant losing (save for a season or two) is more than an issue with the head coach. I understand that the front office is not the same front office as to when Vinny Cerrato was here, but other than the money part of player contracts, the product has not improved at all.

And just like what Brian Mitchell said, until the fans stop supporting this team by throwing their hard earned money at this mess, the message is never going to get through to the owner. It is about time the fans demand a better product, not just hope for it.

2 seasons is not even close to enough time to know if a coach will work out.

The sad part is that this new front office isnt really doing any better than Vinny. Cerrato.

The name can't be the curse...they had too many good years with that name. The curse is Snyder...and unfortunately, he can't be lifted.

Perhaps you're both right

The two combined have created a signularity of suckitude from which nothing can escape

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Look at it this way. If Washington was in the NFC South, they'd be right in the thick of the division race.

Look at it this way. If Washington was in the NFC South, they'd be right in the thick of the division race.

Look at it this way, if the Cowboys would have beaten Washington on Monday night, they would have sole possession of first place in the NFC East.

Why are you showing up now?? Just to troll??