Expectations for the rest of the season...

I never understood why they put him as a 4-3 OLB.

I never understood why they put him as a 4-3 OLB.

Two sarcastic words: Thanks Vinny!

Why is RG3 still having problems reading defense pre snap? This sums it up and what I see on the regular from RG3:

Griffin had what any quarterback would want: Jackson one-on-one with no help on a three-step drop route. Griffin just kept drifting backward with no idea what he had, creating his own pressure, then threw the ball away.

And I see this constantly:

Even a big play showed, if you watched closely, that Griffin needs to improve in pocket awareness and perceiving pressure that isn't there. The Vikings had a tackle/end stunt, Griffin saw the color of the other team and immediately broke down

But all we can say is 'oh the oline is horrible". Ive seen multiple times where there is no pressure, but RG3 holds the ball too long and creates pressure.

Im starting to believe RG3 isnt as bright as I originially thought. He should understand pre snap defense by now.

RG3 is obviously a smart guy. But his football smarts, or instincts are not real high. See Rodgers last night? He's just got natural instincts when he's dropping back and scrambling. You see it in all the great QB's. Even Brady, who's slow as a turtle, he has great awareness as to what's going on around him. Griffin just doesn't have those skills. I don't think that means he can't be a good QB, but he has a long way to go. Maybe with more playing time he gets better at some of this stuff.

Rak has been here long enough. He's just an average player. I think 6 years is a big enough sample size. 4-3 or 3-4 isn't going to make him a great player. Wasn't there a stat floating around out there that Rak barely has any sacks against NFC East competition?

RG3 is obviously a smart guy. But his football smarts, or instincts are not real high. See Rodgers last night? He's just got natural instincts when he's dropping back and scrambling. You see it in all the great QB's. Even Brady, who's slow as a turtle, he has great awareness as to what's going on around him. Griffin just doesn't have those skills. I don't think that means he can't be a good QB, but he has a long way to go. Maybe with more playing time he gets better at some of this stuff.

Yeah i kinda agree on the scrambling and pocket awarness...thats the damn problem with spread QB coming out of college. They dont have that experience under center and reading defenses. Thats why the Baylors and TCU are crap football...they teach really bad fucking habits.

You should have heard the Jordy Nelson interview today on Dan Patrick. Rodgers orchestras the Packers offense by reading the defense, checking for a play and waiting to see if the defense then will check with a response. Nelson says immediately after the his first step after the snap, they will know everything the defense will do and the WRs will know routes to runs, based on the initial defense movement.

Nelson explained the blown coverage where he caught the TD, he said he and Rodgers could tell immediately that 2 out of the 11 Bears defense did not get the right check down to a cover 2, so Nelson ran a go for a TD.

Now in that case, thats not natural instinct...thats experience, tape study, and good coaching. Also Rodgers has to be receptive to that coaching

Um... What?

He switched to OLB when Shanny arrived. He had his hand in the dirt plenty his first year with us. He was moved around a little, so would sometimes rush from a standing position. But he was a 4-3 DE his first year.

I do believe you are correct sir, Rak spent a lot of time at DE his first year with some snaps at OLB in the 4-3.

Brian Orakpo, OLB for the Washington Redskins at NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/player/brianorakpo/71423/profile)

And it was his best year. Regardless, seems like common sense Rak is a better fit as a 4-3 DE.

What is all this support for Gruden over RGIII? RGIII had an outstanding rookie year that showed what he is capable of doing for this franchise. Gruden has proven nothing.

I'm sure that Dan Snyder didn't hire Gruden to shoe-horn RGIII into Gruden's preferred offense and try to turn RGIII into Andy Dalton (who, to me, is a pedestrian NFL QB). If Gruden doesn't find out how to properly use RGIII's talents and the Redskins continue to lose on his watch, then he'll be the one who is shown the door.

Fair enough, but in this hypothetical world where Gruden gets fired, how long are we going to hire new head coaches and force them to either succeed with Griffin or get fired as well? Should Griffin be tenured as our starting QB based off one season that gets farther away every year?

Regardless, the book on Griffin is nowhere close to being closed. We've barely even finished the first chapter. There's still plenty of time for Gruden and Griffin to turn this thing around and start winning.

Fair enough, but in this hypothetical world where Gruden gets fired, how long are we going to hire new head coaches and force them to either succeed with Griffin or get fired as well? Should Griffin be tenured as our starting QB based off one season that gets farther away every year?

Regardless, the book on Griffin is nowhere close to being closed. We've barely even finished the first chapter. There's still plenty of time for Gruden and Griffin to turn this thing around and start winning.

I'm so over 2012. That book is long closed. That isn't the best RG3 we should want anyway. To me RG3 has the rest of this season, and probably goes into 2015 camp as the incumbent. But if he's up and down the rest of this year, I wouldn't mind seeing some competition at the QB position.

I do believe you are correct sir, Rak spent a lot of time at DE his first year with some snaps at OLB in the 4-3.

Brian Orakpo, OLB for the Washington Redskins at NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/player/brianorakpo/71423/profile)

And it was his best year. Regardless, seems like common sense Rak is a better fit as a 4-3 DE.

He had 4 sacks against a bad Raiders team his rookie year which skewed his numbers a bit. He only played DE on 3rd downs.

He's made multiple Pro Bowls as a 3-4 backer, at this point that's what he is. Hard to see him making a change IMO.

He had 4 sacks against a bad Raiders team his rookie year which skewed his numbers a bit. He only played DE on 3rd downs.

He's made multiple Pro Bowls as a 3-4 backer, at this point that's what he is. Hard to see him making a change IMO.

I still think Orakpo would be a better 4-3 DE than anything else. While hes not bad in pass coverage, he is better suited to go after the ball every play imo. I also believe he is a better rusher starting in a 3 or 4 point stance since he relies so much on the bull rush. A lot would also depend on how well he played the run.

Its a pretty moot point though since it wont happen with us. He is just not worth the money he wants as a 3-4 OLB in our system. It also doesnt appear that we are switching defenses to a 4-3, and even if we did, I dont want to see us spend that money to experiment with him there given his injury history. I still expect him to have played his last play for us and move on in the offseason.